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Seems that the Swiss legislature may pass a law requiring ProtonVPN to start banning certain domains from being access by French users (mostly illegal sports streaming sites)

For those using ProtonVPN, is the writing on the wall?

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[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago (4 children)

(mostly illegal sports streaming sites)

This doesn't accomplish what the legislature intends. It never does. For instance, in the US, Texas in all their wisdom that can't keep an electrical grid running smooth without duct tape and bailing wire, has decided to 'ban' PornHub. It makes all the christofascist's dicks hard because in their mind, they have rooted out evil and destroyed it. (See Satanic Panic in the 80s) However, their weak, little minds cannot comprehend the fact that for every technology, there exists an equal, yet undoing technology.

Do it for the children I hear them say, and I would agree in this example, that children should not be viewing porn. A better solution would be to make parents actually parent. You brought a service into your home that can be both highly detrimental and highly beneficial, and then you turn around give it all, including a cel phone, to a very inquisitive mind uninhibited, unmonitored, and uncontrolled in any manner. You're the problem, not porn.

/end soapbox

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'd say the problem is education. Porn is only an issue because people do not get proper sex ed. The reaction to seeing a dick sucked in front of a child shouldn't be shame, disgust, or terror but allowing the inquisitive mind to ask what is happening.

Sex is a completely normal occurrence that is the reason we are all here. There shouldn't be any shame or stigma in explaining to a child (or any person for that matter) what it is, what it involves, why it is done, how to safely do it, what consent is, why it is stigmatised.

Want to protect children? Educate them.

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[–] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As a very tech savvy parent I have to say that setting up an inhibited, monitored and controlled internet for specific devices and users is insanely difficult. The average person stands no chance. But sure, blame the parents instead of the technology as it is sold and delivered.

[–] asceticism@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

How difficult it is has a lot of variance. Unifi make it easy to get up and going for example.

Unifi Network, make network, content filtering: family, save. Make WiFi, assign to network, save. Then you can just never give you kids access to the default network. Or you can blacklist their devices. If you want to get more advanced firewall rules are fairly easy to add as well.

[–] FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Your notion of the modern world is terribly quaint

[–] FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 1 points 9 hours ago

How many internet connected devices do you think there are in a typical 2 adult 2 kid household, excluding phones? Here are TVs, tablets, Chromebooks, laptops, game consoles etc etc. Kids don't jus have phones - mine don't and there's still a raw internet connection to almost all these devices.

And out of all of that only one has good controls for parents and believe me when I say this, setting it up was torture.

If you want to block YouTube to specific devices and not others its a really difficult thing to do. Especially when Big Tech is working against you - block the YouTube URLs on a Pihole and you'll find that the play store also doesn't work. There are plenty of dark patterns in all these things. Because these companies do not want to help by blocking access to the marketing bucks of kids.

There is no simple solution to all of it unless you either live in the past or you parent so 1984ly that it'll exhaust you and alienate your kids from you.

[–] JakobFel@retrolemmy.com -1 points 3 days ago

I'm not saying I support this legislation but I'm really sick of the "parents should be parenting" excuse. Parents can be doing a great job with their kids and those kids will still see porn because of the way platforms push things (not to mention the ease of access of porn, which just needs to be outright banned).

The only solution, barring well-written legislation, is to not allow your kid to have a smartphone until they're late teenagers, and ensure their access to computers is restricted to a public room, with appropriate monitoring.

That's my plan whenever I have kids. However, something tells me a lot of people on Lemmy will take issue with that approach.