this post was submitted on 02 Jun 2025
2 points (57.1% liked)
Memes
51252 readers
1694 users here now
Rules:
- Be civil and nice.
- Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
You're sitting here trying to tell me that the one party authoritarian state who regularly crushes citizens freedom of expression is actually democratic. Yeah I'm sure they wander to the voting booth and make the touch decision of voting for the CCP or nothing with the CCP waiting over their shoulder.
You people are delusional.
You have a biased perception of what constitutes democracy, you take the western, liberal model to be the only form of democracy, and reject other models. This is a rather narrow-minded approach to political analysis, rather than immediately condemning others for not conforming to what you consider to be standard, it pays immensely to ask instead, "why?"
In western liberal democracy, democratic input is largely restricted to which party you want to represent you, not how each party functions. In China, you can't really depose the CPC, but there is a much larger and more comprehensive scope on what you can influence. Public policy is comprehensively considered and voted on, tested, and local governments have large degrees of input from the local pooulation, laddering up to the regional and finally national level.
I think you'd do yourself a massive service if you asked the question "why do Chinese citizens overwhelmingly approve of their government, and feel that they have genuine democratic input despite having a different democratic model than my own?" Rather than simply looking at a different system and condemning it as wrong on the basis of it being a different system.
No, you can't just rewrite the definition of democracy and take out all the key parts just so you can apply it to China and try and washing over all their flaws.
Didnt the CCP weld people into their homes during covid. People have no human rights to the CCP. They are just tools to be used to further the parties goals.
Fine I'll ask myself "why do Chinese citizens overwhelmingly approve of their government, and feel that they have genuine democratic input despite having a different democratic model than my own?"
Probably because their government dominates every part of their life. Constantly propagandises them and viciously cracks down on any dissent. They also have been having a ton of economic growth which usually results in favour for the party in power.
They think they have democracy because they have been mislead to what democracy is and theyve been told they have it "its not authoritarianism its just democracy with Chinese characteristics" and those characteristics are stripping all rights and power from the populous.
Interestingly, not even the ancient greeks would consider what modern-day western states are, as democracies. Both Aristotle and Plato considered any system based on elections to be undemocratic oligarchies, since only the wealthy have the money to finance campaigns or the prestige to win the popularity contest.
They rightly considered democracy as meaning rule by the poor, which is the opposite of modern day bourgeois democracy.