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So, here's a thought.
Instead of complaining, get active at a local level. Start doing shit, instead of complaining that other people should do shit. Be a local activist. Run for office. Work in person to persuade people. Get backing. Shake hands, kiss babies, meet people. And then? Vote for the best choices that you have.
If you want shit to change, you can't complain on-line, you have to get off your ass and do something.
Tried that, all I got for my trouble was a total disillusionment with the American voting public.
Americans, generally, do not care, and I can't convince them that they should.
You can. But you need to engage them one on one, and you need to find out what's important to them, what frustrates them, and why. And then build on that. It takes empathy, and not faked empathy. It's not a short conversation, like asking someone to donate to Greenpeace on a sidewalk in Brooklyn. It's deep canvassing.
"A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its pants on."
One-on-one might be effective, but it can't scale. There's no hope for the most heavily propagandized country on Earth that doesn't start with an end to the incentive to lie for profit, I.E. Capitalism.
It does scale, but it doesn't scale directly.
For the most part, people change based on relationships, not raw information. In general, you can't counter a belief simply by presenting overwhelming information. (This is one of the only areas where Trump is a savant; he's actively fostered a parasocial relationship with his cultists. They believe that they have a strong social relationship with him, so they're inoculated against information that's critical or negative of Trump.) What this means is that ideas can be contagious, and can spread through relationships. If you are able to use you relationship with your parents to help them understand why e.g. Trump is terrible for the country, then they can, in turn, spread that to their friends.
While I appreciate your desire to abolish capitalism, in the case of fascism, it's not money, but power that's at play. Even if you eliminated all profit motive, people would still shill for Trump because they think that they can get some kind of benefit that isn't necessarily monetary.
Money and power are equivalent, hence my identification of the problem as Capitalism. Billionaire-owners who can afford to run a propaganda machine as a loss-leader are also to be abolished.
So, what EXACTLY do you think is my purpose in creating propaganda like this post?
And why do you assume I am not doing more?
Is it projection?
I assume that you aren't doing more because almost all of the people bitching about the Dems only aligning with 95% of their views and therefore don't vote for the Dems because they're just as bad are accelerationists; they just want to make the system function even less well than it already does so that the whole things crashes and burns. Or, worse, in the case of someone like Jill Stein, are actively working against the interests of the country. Best case scenario? They're speaking to an in-group to harden people in a position so that they're less likely to engage with political opponents.
If you really, truly want things to change, you gotta do that shit on a 1:1 basis, in person. If you're serious about changing people and fixing shit, I'd suggest looking at techniques of street epistemology and reading David McRaney's "How Minds Change".
Maybe you should stop arguing with your fantasies and projecting your frustrations so you can engage with people who are actually doing the work.
I do. Do you? Or do you think that 'spreading propaganda' is 'work'?
It's one of the things I do. You don't know anything else about me, but you seem to think you do. All I know about you is that you can turn any subject into a conversation about yourself.