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Signal – an ethical replacement for WhatsApp (greenstarsproject.org)
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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 0 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Your reasoning would hold up if 80% of xmpp wasn't running on Conversations or forks of it, that all support OMEMO and OpenPGP.

Your criticisms are too broad with few serious negatives. What makes extensions powerful is that they can easily change the rules without breaking the underlying system. If your client sucks, get another?

You have choices, but if your problem is metadata, whoooo boy.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32780665

https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/9133

https://www.reddit.com/r/PrivacyGuides/comments/q7qsty/is_matrix_still_a_metadata_disaster/

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

So much cope you didn't even notice no one mentioned matrix. We are comparing XMPP with Signal.

Your reasoning would hold up if 80% of xmpp wasn't running on Conversations or forks of it

Also, you really think saying only 20% of your chats are insecure is somehow making it better?

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's their problem. If their messages aren't encrypted, it isn't like you won't be aware of it. Request that they use a modern client and get with the times. None of this is an actual problem without easy solutions.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Then let us know when they are solved. Until then, I have a lot more hope in matrix than XMPP. They at least seems to be making progress in the right direction, although they are not there yet either.

Signal remains the best option for now.