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[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I feel like this is more relatable than the reasons my family insists on staying on the US. All any "decent" people's presence does is "legitimize" the regime and lull the victims and future conscripts into a false sense of security and hope, at this point.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The US and Ukraine are in very different positions...

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes. Theirs remains a country worth defending, from a credible, external threat, and the bulk of the potential victims were both allowed to leave and given reasonable options for places to flee to at the outset.

Personally, I'm more worried about most of my friends and family being coerced/tricked to the wrong side than being victimized - merely being deported as a white person would be a win in this sick, sad, world. The contrast was literally the point of my comment.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Must be nice to have privilege to just leave. Most countries have strict immigration policy that most amercians wont even qualify for.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago
[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I didn't come here to criticize most countries like so, but when you hit the nail on the head like that ...

That said, there are plenty of people who should be willing to all but sell their souls to get out, if they could only see and acknowlege what's coming for them. I'm not here to tell anyone besides magats "get out of my country", but if enough privileged people like me lead by example, maybe more will get the message.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Indeed but where to go? 20 years aho I was looking around the world hopefully but all I saw then were shit holes with little in common with my ethics. Similarly today it's all I see :(

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago

I don't disagree with your assessment per se, but ethics-wise I'm liking Chad, or anywhere else that actively takes in large numbers of immigrants/refugees.