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The dumbass lib comment is what can't be real. Too stupid to level valid criticisms like the great leap or subjective excesses in revolutionary violence and instead just making up a genocide to criticise someone? Pure ignorance.
Have you ever lived under a communist regime? I have, it sucked, it doesn’t mean I automatically become a capitalist right wing supporter, just cause I reject communism. Has communism ever worked without devolving into oligarchy? Ever? Im more of an anarchist, I believe communism doesn’t work because it relies on the hope that the people running the government will give the little people and equal share as them, and humans just aren’t that good. We suck. The communism I experienced came with a lot of oppression and poverty, maybe you mean socialism? Cause that’s different
Just because I think communism doesn’t work, doesn’t mean that I immediately agree with capitalism. I miss the days when a leftists could argue and debate with another leftists without being accused of being right wing or called names, just because our views may differ slightly. Be better
Nothing you just said has anything to do with the argument.
The fact is that you argued like a liberal using liberal talking points. There's plenty of things you can criticise any former socialist leader for. But using fake facts and rhetoric from the CIA, the black book of communism, various right wingers, etc. only enables their historic revisionism.
There's a stark rhetoric difference between saying the great leap was mishandled terribly and not sound from an ideological base and calling it an intentional genocide if that's what you were refering to with the genocide crap.
White American kids telling my indigenous ass how the world should work is exactly what’s been going on for decades, but it’s wild the level Of racism and colonial “papa knows best” attitude I’ve seen from the American left this past year
Are you on a completely different topic or what is going on with you?
Weaponizing your identity might work in reddit or Twitter but I don't think it's gonna get you traction here
Relying on your own personal anecdotes to prove a point is not helpful, same with asserting that someone has had to live in a socialist country to understand socialism. The truth is that socialism isn't oligarchy. All socialist countries have had governments, yes, but these are democratically elected. Further, socialism doesn't require "equal" distribution of resources, Marx railed against the "equalitarians" that argued as such.
Moreover, you seem to be confused on Marxism. Communism is a global system, countries like Cuba, the PRC, or the former USSR are examples of socialism. Socialism is a transitional status towards communism, it's the process of sublimating property until production is fully collectivized and thus society becomes classless, and this can only be complete globally.
As an example, wealth inequality in the USSR was around a difference of five times from the top and the bottom, while in Tsarist and capitalist Russia that number was hundreds to thousands od times higher.
Overall, people are being accused of being a liberal because their understanding of socialism and communism are severely lacking, and myopic.
I would say my experience is not an anecdote since it was shared by thousands but don’t let my people’s experience dissuade you from the ideas in your head that you developed while living in a shithole like the U.S
The vast majority of people who lived in the USSR regret the fall of socialism. I can find a thousand people who think the US Empire is the most morally just country in history that truly provides for its people, but genuinely studying history, statistics, and the mechanisms of political economy domestically and globally point to that being a fantasy.
I'm sorry, but I really don't have any reason to take a random internet stranger's anecdote any more seriously than the large amount of reading I've done on Marxism, anarchism, history, and political economy in general.