Why switch?
I played with the idea of switching for quite a while. Having switched my daily driver from Windows maybe 6-9 Months ago I made many mistakes in the meantime.
Good and bad
This may have led to a diminshed experience with ubuntu but all in all, I was very pleased to see that Linux works as a daily driver. Still, I was unhappy with the kind of dumbed down gnome experience.
Problems
There were errors neither I nor people I asked could fix and the snap situation on ubuntu (just the fact that they’re proprietary, nothing else).
Installation
Installing debian (and kde) was easier and harder than I expected. The download mirror I used must not have been great although its very close to my location because it took ages although my internet connections is good.
Apps
Since I switched to Linux, I toned down my app diet a lot. Installing all my apps from ubuntu was as easy as writing a short list and going through discover. Later I added flatpak which gave me a couple apps not available through discover (such as fluffychat). The last two I copied directly as appimages.
Games
I was scared that the „old kernel“ of stable debian would be a problem. As it turns out, everthing works great so far, a lot better than on ubuntu which might or might not be my fault.
Instability
Kde does have some quirks that irritate me a bit like installing timeshift (because I tried network backups which dont work with it and the native backup solution does not seem to accept my sambashare) led to a window I could only close by rebooting.
Boot time
What does feel a bit odd is the boot process. After my bios splash, it shows „welcome to grub“ and then switches to the debian start menu for 3 seconds or so, then shows some terminal stuff and then starts kde splash and then login. This feels a lot longer than ubuntu did. Its probably easy to change in some config but its also something that should be obvious.
Summary
So far I‘m incredibly happy although I ran into initramfs already probably because of timeshift which I threw out again. I might do a manual backup if nothing else works. My games dont freeze or stutter which is nice. All apps I had on ubuntu now work on debian and no snaps at all.
TL;DR: If you feel adventurous, debian and kde are a pretty awesome mix and rid you of the proprietary ubuntu snap store. It also doesnt tell you that you can get security upgrades if you subscribe to ubuntu pro. Works the same if not better.
No, gnome is. But debian in opposition to ubuntu gives you a choice at install. You can use gnome, kde, cinnamon and a couple others which I forgot.
That's nice.
Indeed. It feels very mature and no nonsense like, all over. The only thing that bothers me a bit are some „qol things“ like being able to switch mirrors if you made a bad choice or to easily choose german keyboard while leaving the OS in english for easier troubleshooting online.
So the pattern here seems to be „debian shows that it is community made and you can help make it better in opposition to ubuntu which is commercial and your participation helps both the community and the company“
The caveat is that you take a long while to understand the differences between different DEs, and you only gain this knowledge by spending time in Linux community. I took 6 years with Ubuntu to become comfortable with Linux.
I respect that this is your experience and opinion. In my opinion you can just read up a bit and most importantly try them out.
As someone pointed out to me recently, most unexperienced users just view the DE as the OS since thats what they see and interact with.
So while there could be more info about those DEs, the choice is great.
For me, GNOME was the only DE. However, when I tried Mint for a month, I used Cinnamon. In the initial days of Linux, I was using GNOME Flashback (GNOME 2), different from GNOME 3+. When I picked Debian 12 Stable in July, I stuck with LXQt and Xfce and tried KDE. Tweaked them.
I liked GNOME with extensions the most. And this was an honest attempt at trying, no biases. Why? Because before Linux, I was using Windows for the past 13ish years back to 95/98SE days. I was a heavy Windows UI modder back in the day, back when Hiren's BootCD used to be a hot thing.
I also have a guide for Linux/Windows computing and transition built upon decades of experience. https://lemmy.ml/post/511377 It is not just an isolated experience when I say things, as I try to guide people a lot, and successfully at that.
Is it gnome 3 (shell)?
I have no idea. Sorry.
After a bit of searching I think people generally mean gnome 3 when they say gnome and gnome 2 is now known as Mate.
Ah! Got it! Thanks.
I get that you have the choice at install on debian which is nice, but the flavors and choices of Ubuntu (eg kubuntu ) are super readily available when making your install media. And I unless you are making it a game time decision as you go through the installer, which I doubt most people are, this seems like an incredibly trivial distinction.
Thats viewing it only from one angle. People who are not totally familiar with what desktop environments are might not even consider kubuntu, lubuntu or xubuntu since they are viewed as seperate OSes by some.
Having this menu is very easy to implement but the possibilities are great.
Fair point
More mythology, ubuntu is just a layer of fluff over debian. Ubuntu wouldn't exist if it wasn't for debian. Just check your repositories. It is a fake distribution without character, mixing Free and non-free software from anywhere they can find them and promotes installing "foreign" pkgs to the system just to show they provide a wider variety.
@haui_lemmy @AnneBonny
Although I‘m not the biggest fan of ubuntu, I dont think the hate of linux distros is necessary.
If you could tell the difference between hate and criticism you wouldn't wonder.
A fan? I wasn't a fan of debian 7, I just thought 8 was garbage and left when 7 could no longer upgrade.
@haui_lemmy
Nice to make it personal. Good bye.