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[–] BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It sounds like the same amount of effort that it would take to make a really good open source project, or contribute to an existing one.

I find it hard to believe you wouldn't get a job with something like that under your belt. Also 3000 applications is probably a bit shotgun rather than targeted and HR would be able to pick up on it

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're right that my time was wasted, and knowing the outcome, I wish I could go back and do more project work before trying to enter the job market.

But I don't think that is a financial possibility for most Americans. Going to school drained my savings, when I graduated I had almost nothing except for school debt, medical debt, and high rent. Saying "I'm gonna take off and work for free for a year" never really seemed like a possibility.

And as for my apps, the 3000 were not shotgun, they were all personalized, custom cover letters, keywords, etc. It only averaged out to 3/day. I did not track the apps where I used AI to submit them- the AI ones were definitely shotgun.

[–] BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not your fault, but it sounds like you and probably a lot of other people were misled about what having a degree actually does.

The most important thing someone looks at when you apply for a job is that you are interested in the thing and capable of doing it. The degree doesn't really do that but the personal projects do. The degree might be a nice to have on top and helps to convince some people, but you always end up working with people without one anyway.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I was misled, what you said was explicitly taught to us at University. I think my degree is the #1 thing on my resume, but of course I also had projects, a few certificates, and multiple attempts at more specific fields.

Back when I was applying, my GitHub activity was pretty solid green.

[–] BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's weird because everywhere I've ever worked routinely hires people who don't even know how to make a commit, or anything at all really.

For some reason even those people are somehow jumping ahead of competent people like you in the queue. It's also annoying for us because we have to deal with the bad ones that HR delivers.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh god someone that actually knows how to create an issue, do a PR, submit PR, them merge all in that order is a smaller amount of people then we care to admit. I've had to teach many many people over the years with coding experience how to use git... Or github like interface. Change management is hard when devs don't know how to work in s team setting.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well believe it gramps, most of the open source projects contributors now either just do content creation as a side hustle or are permanently looking for work, at least in my experience

[–] BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"most" open source project contributors are looking for work? Lol ok bud

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

IDK about most. But, I've seen many OS contributors say they're looking for work. Seen one recently saying he won't be contributing much to the project anymore because he's housing-insecure. Seen maintainers for popular projects get laid off and are now looking for work. Seen people with 10+ and 20+ years of experience not being able to find a job after many months.

[–] BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah there are obviously unfortunate cases. But to put another unsourced number out there I would say 90% of open source maintainers are employed in some way or even directly to work on that thing.

The point of bringing it up is that those people would gladly give a pass on an interview to someone they already know contributes than some random graduate they don't know.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah. Broken economy, broken world, etc etc. it's like a bad dream that won't end. IRL is the doomscroll now.

I don't blame you, just be thankful you're so out of touch you find it hard to believe.

[–] BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well to see it from the perspective from the inside: we always have hundreds of openings, and I've seen openings for months and years without suitable candidates. Sometimes lots of bad applicants and sometimes no applicants at all.

That's for the niche openings. For regular graduate stuff new people start every single day.

It's hard to match up that with the fact that some people apparently aren't getting a single application progressed.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

I agree, but until that's clear I remain quite skeptical.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago

the 2020-23 isnt exactly a time they were hiring at all, they froze for like 2 years. and students were barely learning at all since the classes were all online, and there was no way to find volunteering work. if you go back to look at your university reviews on yelp(yea they have it for universities) its pretty dismal out there.

he said he handcrafted alot of them, so it was pretty targeted.