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'We have a statue of MLK': GOP lawmakers push for Charlie Kirk monument in Capitol
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In what universe is Charlie Kirk at all comparable to MLK?
Release the rest of the Epstein files. Release the Yahoo emails. Why is there a drawing of Epstein grooming children allegedly at Mar a Lago?
He's not, and they know it. Pretending he's a martyr for as long as they can is rhetorically useful to them.
hes useful as a distraction from the epstein files, The old guard dnc wants the news about to go away as much as the gop does.
Let's go down the list:
That's the list.
He isn't and everyone knows it. It's what used to be trolling except it has now become a core principle and they are a full two or three generations into believing their own bullshit. It's like that guy who loves banter until you hit him with a slapper and it's a "he's gonna fight you in the parking lot" kind of situation but he called security and told them threats had been made and the cops are getting involved but it's ok because a few days later he got stabbed 7 times in Lovejoy NY for talking shit in a pool game and all was right with the world.
Sorry I got lost on that one but you get the point.
.......I'm not sure I do. I got distracted thinking about what kind of pool bet they had.
Do you mind explaining? I checked out of politics because of a mental breakdown. I’m sure you all understand. Who’s Kirk?
He was a piece of shit
Charlie Kirk, the late fascist founder of turning point USA, a fascist propaganda organization.
An organization that was somehow allowed to have chapters on high school campuses. Some might call that grooming or indoctrination.
A God-bothering fascist propaganda organization with heavy emphasis on gun fetishism.
Someone probably equates the political nature and him being white to what happened to MLK Jr.
Yep, Martin Luther Mayonnaise.
Releasing the files was one of Charlie last wishes.
trump had him silenced.
They're both famous guys who were in the news for things they said.
Didn't we get a big data dump that journalists are actively sifting through? FFS, the UK ambassador to the US just got sacked yesterday over the latest news.
At least take a minute to chew and swallow before you ask for another bite.
I'm so happy to see Mandelson lose his job. He was a toxic, corrupt presence in Tony Blair's and Gordon Brown's governments too, and a general slimebag.
Your history teachers failed you.
I would be very surprised if Charlie Kirk has been included in anyone's history book to date.
If your understanding of why there are any statues of MLK boils down to “he was a famous guy who said stuff and then got shot,” your history teachers have failed you. And if that’s not your understanding, then it’s a terribly dismissive way to describe one of the greatest social traumas for Americans in the 20th century.
And yet it's the only common link between the two.
Both were very vocal about Christianity. King being a Reverend and Kirk being a christofascist
If we want to get down to the nut of it, he was an icon of a large and very successful social movement who was cut down in his prime by his political opponents.
But that does technically also qualify for Kirk. Also, for any number of Confederate General statues we'd thrown up across the nation in the wake of Jim Crow. Statues don't go to the "Good Guys", they go to the people whose movements have the wealth and the influence to build them.
If your history teacher hasn't conveyed that message, you might need to ask her why we've got Andrew Jackson's face on our money and a pedophile carved into Mt Rushmore. Monuments and statues aren't handed out objectively. They are propaganda works erected by the wealthy and powerful to venerate historical icons. Very real possibility we end up tearing down the MLK memorial under our current President in order to clear a space for these goons, sycophants, and freaks.
Wait, I know trump was SAYING he was going to put his face on.....but I never heard news that he DID it!
Sadly, not the first pedophile President
One was fighting for a better world, one for a worse one.
One of them deserves a statue, the other one not so much.
I just hope that those who want to have a statue of that hateful, spiteful, horrible person get what they deserve.
Statues don't get built based on who deserves one the most.
That's right, but not what I was focussing on. I was talking about the people who want statues for people who (morally) don't deserve them.
Mandelson was sacked because of the release of the birthday book by Epstein's estate, not by the government. The government did a "release" before that, but it looks like just a couple per cent was anything new. When people call for info to be released, they're probably most likely asking the government that's supposedly working for the people, not the paedo king's estate.
The assumption is perhaps that the estate has zero interest in releasing stuff damaging to themselves, while the government theoretically should be different.
Theoretically is the operative word here, at least for me. The government is staffed by the paedo king's associates, and they are never releasing anything. So there's never going to be anything released worth chewing and swallowing.
But it is entertaining to watch Trump not be in control of the narrative and squirm
What? He's an ambassador. Of course he was sacked by the government.
They're referring to the US government, not the UK one.
We got a Google Drive dump of data after thousands of fbi agents spent months redacting trumps name
Point to the redaction.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-08-01/epstein-files-trump-s-name-was-redacted-by-the-fbi
And while that one is new
Their latest release also was almost entirely published info.
Hey siri,
Find me the name of the woman Trump bought from Epstein.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Giuffre
No see she was sold to Prince Andrew.
Silly bot. I want the woman who was sold to Trump. $22,500 in the book of burthday letters.
Is that all it costs to buy a person???
I mean, I'm still appauled it happened. I'm just also shocked it's so cheap.
Hey, it was the 90s and the birthday note does specify that she was "fully depreciated" so, you know.. whatever that terrifying part means. Its pretty fucked.
Fun fact, you could buy a Honda Integra type R for $22,200 and still have $300 left over for the date to get a woman a more respectable way in 1996.
Virginia Giuffre’s family expresses shock over Trump saying Epstein ‘stole’ her
You don't read the things you link, i am taking it.
Thats literally the reverse of what i am talking about.
See its ok to say you dont know and converse. And we literally dont know from redactions.
I don't know what I'm bothering with here. You are wrong.
You don't like the answers you're being given.
You're choosing to accept Trump at face value and refusing to read between the lines.
I dont like the answers cause they are as accurate as an LLM and i am referring to a file in the data dump that was redacted that is of Trump buying a woman from Epstein and you keep linking to another victim of Epstein instead as if its the same thing.
You literally are not paying attention and acting smug about it.
Also that last line is so ridiculous.
Cherry picking parts of a sentence like a Republican.
Laziest way to pretend to win.
There is a big difference between. Most people who aren’t actively engaged in this type of discourse like you and I, or don’t pay meticulous attention to conservative media outlets, likely don’t know who Kirk is, let alone care.
MLK Jr. got historically important exposure on television with the broadcast of the March on Washington, D.C. This was one of the first civil rights events to be televised. When you have a new medium to disseminate news that for the first time gives you not just the voice but the image of the people involved, I think that has a huge impact. Prior to this, MLK Jr. was a highly respected religious leader.
Most people today, would probably have to seek out non-governmental sides of political discourse, to even know who Kirk is. I have no doubt your average conservative that watches Fox News has been exposed to Kirk, but they likely won’t recall any talking points. He wasn’t in an elected office. Today, that would probably be the only reason any lay person would listen to them.
Kirk's had his face plastered all over the news, his voice jammed into podcasts and radio shows, and his physical form injected into college campuses for over fifteen years running. You don't need to be an academic to know who he is, any more than you needed to be a wrestling fan to know Dwayne Johnson or a pop music obsessive to recognize Taylor Swift.
That's tens of millions of people. And then you've got the average liberal who watches MSNBC or tunes in to Colbert's Late Night. They can spot him, too. And then - again - anyone on a major college campus over the last fifteen years knows this guy purely because of his reputation as National Debate-Me Bro. The man did the college circuit hundreds of times. He's been a popular meme for at least a decade. He died running his mouth at a C-list university in Utah, ffs. That's how prolific the man was.
I would gamble that more people could recognize Charlie Kirk on sight than any of the last three Vice Presidents.
What the absolute fuck