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archive.is link to article from allabout.ai at https://www.allaboutai.com/resources/ai-statistics/ai-environment/

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[–] moubliezpas@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I totally agree that each query/ picture isn't literally burning huge amounts of energy - I wonder if we're kind of making the same argument but I misread your first comment - but it's also true that each cigarette doesn't actually do that much damage to your lungs and buying a single puppy from a puppy mill isn't funding the entire industry, just like buying a tiny ivory figurine isn't killing any animals and buying a single share in EvilCorp isn't funding the CEO's baby-killing missions.

But, in a way, it kind of is. If you need that cigarette, I won't stop you. If the ivory is antique or really special to you or whatever, we've all got vices, maybe also donate to an animal charity. If you really think EvilCorp isn't that bad and the CEO only killed a few babies that one time, or if you don't really mix your ethics with your finances or whatever, cool, everyone makes their own moral boundaries.

(I can't think of a decent reason to buy from puppy mills, but I'm sure they exist).

But I think we all have a responsibility to make these ethical decisions. If you are adding to the AI user base, feeding it your data and training it and pumping its figures, there are a variety of legit reasons to do so, from curiosity to convenience to FOMO. And if you don't care about the environment or wider impact of your actions, alright, rock on. We can't all care about everything all the time.

But in my (unsolicited) opinion, when you use it with no decent reason or benefit, you are prioritising your fleeting whims over the deadliest threat to the world. It's like owning an oversized gas guzzling car (personal choice) and leaving it to idle for hours at a time because it saves 15 seconds in the morning. Weird example, but to my mind it's the same.

I'm not going to shit on people's hobbies, but I used to throw my cigarette ends down drains because I thought it was tidier, until I found out that nope, really not good for the drains or water system. So I bought a little portable ashtray. I have no particular passion for drains and don't smoke that much when I'm not near a bin or ashtray, but it wasn't a huge sacrifice to buy an ashtray. The cumulative damage to the ecosystem seemed to outweigh the personal convenience of dropping my cigarette end there, so I couldn't really justify contributing to a bad thing that wouldn't affect me if I didn't need to.

But - I still see lots of cigarette ends on the floor. Maybe they haven't heard about the damage it causes, maybe they have different moral priorities, maybe they were in a real hurry; everybody makes their own decision. I just wish more people would make that decision, rather than using it because it's there and everyone else is.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

But I think we all have a responsibility to make these ethical decisions. If you are adding to the AI user base, feeding it your data and training it and pumping its figures, there are a variety of legit reasons to do so, from curiosity to convenience to FOMO. And if you don’t care about the environment or wider impact of your actions, alright, rock on. We can’t all care about everything all the time.

AI doesn't have to be a corporate nightmare. It can be self-hosted, or hosted by a third party that doesn't log or train on anything (which is extremely common).

And if you're concerned with the relatively marginal energy use of inference; use Cerebras or Groq (not Grok) or Huawei, to get away from Nvidia and the crazy clocks they run chips at. Or even just something like GLM or Deepseek that's deployed with quite reasonable efficiency, on peanuts for hardware.

The fundamental issue is corporate enshittification, basically. And that the vast majority of folks, unfortunately, do take the shitty Big Tech options because they're the loudest, and no-one knows there are better, cheaper, and nicer options.