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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This entire thing has been made needlessly complicated. Easy fix though.

  1. Get whatever ebook you want.
  2. Borrow some code from GitHub and teach a raspberry pi with a camera and a few servos to snap pictures of pages, turn the pages, snap again into a PDF.
  3. A script then parses all the images and OCRs them for the final PDF.
  4. You now own a backup of your DRM book, which you own forever. Pretty sure this is actually legal under DMCA since you are taking a backup of something you allegedly own. The encryption circumvention is irrelevant.
  5. now, break the law and throw the PDF on the internet to everyone. Go little bot! Go go go!
[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The encryption circumvention is irrelevant.

Oh you sweet summer child, judges will bend over backwards to slap people with multi-decade-to-life charges for 'hacking,' even if the 'hacking' is just the rightsholder accidentally presenting data to you.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They already ruled on this in favor of allowing you to back up what you already own. See video games, DVDs and CDs, video tapes, this is well established already.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

They actually walked that back using blu-rays as an excuse. If there's any sort of DRM/encryption/etc, you're completely unallowed to circumvent it, even for personal backup.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

To be fair, if you OCR the pages via camera, you haven't actually circumvented DRM. That means it's a completely legal backup, as the DRM on the original file was untouched and unaltered. This definitely does fall under fair use.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Theoretically, yes. Realistically, judges historically believe anything prosecutors tell them about hacking and circumvention.

There's been people thrown in jail for the rest of their life for the crime of clicking a public URL that the company didn't intend to be public.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There’s been people thrown in jail for the rest of their life for the crime of clicking a public URL that the company didn’t intend to be public.

Source?
The closest i've heard was a journalist being accused of hacking for the crime of choosing "view source" in the right-click menu of a web-browser.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

If you scroll down a bit, I actually already answered that question in this exact threat, one reply down.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In general I agree, but I am going to have to ask you for a source on that last one.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Looks like I mixed up two different cases- the cause of one, and the duration of another.

weev (who apparently is a giant asshole) was the one who got sent to jail for accessing a completely public URL AT&T wished he didn't in 2010. The EFF took up his case. His sentence was later vacated by another court because so many civil rights lawyers kept joining his team pro-bono so the court tossed it out on a blatant technicality to get the issue to go away, so he only served ~2y.

As for the CFAA being used to slap people with life sentences, there's too many examples to know which one I was mixing it up with. Aaron Swartz is the classic example.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

so he only served ~2y.

Still 2y more than he should've, geez...

[–] dermanus@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

You didn't circumvent it by breaking the encryption, but I'd say you still circumvented it.

[–] duckofdeath87@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Just do it in a country with reasonable laws

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 6 points 2 days ago

The goold old analog hole.