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I cancelled too! I really wanna see what excuse Microsoft will pull out to walk back the changes.

Hit 'em where it hurts, people.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 123 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

The thing about this shit is...

Microsoft, like Google, is now a user-data driven company and they have already made loss/profit ratio analysis on this long before they released the price increase. They're absolutely banking on people cancelling but making up the difference and then some from the people who stay.

For a thought experiment let's consider how many subscribers they were reported to have in Feburary: 34 million. Let's assume that everyone is paying for the highest tier to make the math easier. So current income would be 34 million user x $20 a month and thats $680 million a month. New income of 34 million users x $30 a month is $1.02 billion. The difference is $340 million a month. Let's divide that by $30 a month. That gets us about 11,333,333 users. So they can hemorrhage over 11 million users and still break even. To make sure, let's subtract 11 million users. That gives us 23 million users. 23 million users x $30 a month is $690 million a month, a cool $10 million a month above current profits.

For final context, 11 million users is roughly 32% of their entire subscriber count. They can afford to lose a third of the people subscribing and still make money.

The math doesn't bode well for us who vote with our wallets.

[–] Jakule17@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, but wouldn’t a higher price also discourage new people from subscribing in the first place? Or are companies that shortsighted?

[–] Minnels@lemmy.zip 1 points 19 hours ago

Most of them are. Just make profit NOW!!

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago

And it gets even better. Instead of up to 33% leaving, say 50% of that group convert to Premium instead of Ultimate. That isn’t any lost revenue since the price is going up to what Ultimate used to be. So that cushions their numbers even more.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

One could imagine that conveniently, Microsoft's online support pages and the amount of support staff were designed to only handle hundreds of thousands of cancelations at a time.

[–] quackerjo@lemmy.wtf 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm not a licensed math surgeon, but I think your math is wildly optimistic in favor of Microsoft due to how the subscription totals are actually distributed per price tier.

I don't doubt that they did a lot of math to figure out an acceptable level of churn for this change, I just don't think it's nearly as generous and wide as you're calculating.

There probably is a very real churn limit that they're trying to avoid, and my hunch is that there exists a breaking point that could be hit with an aggressive and sustained boycott / cancellation spree, but again, I'm not a math surgeon so I could be wrong. That's just my gut feeling.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Now factor in the cost savings from a lower server load and less staff to run the back end, and possibly the smaller licensing\use costs for the games available to play since less people would be accessing those games.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But also less new users and still the usual churn of existing users. It could be a downward spiral.

[–] greybeard@feddit.online 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That's the next CEOs problem.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 points 15 hours ago

Yes, but still something they will look at. It means when it becomes unviable with the squeeze already on, those that chose to pay the higher fees lose access to everything as they shut it down. I'm sure they will thank their loyal subscribers, so there is that.

My guess is they realise that xbox users in general is likely on a downward trajectory and now is the time to milk them.