I am gonna make an apology for the fact that I am getting a little bit excited, which might be becoming apparent, religion is a complex subject and discussing so much matter is a bit complex and no one here in the comments seems to be interested in having a discussion but rather spouting nonsense against 90% of the world

But I will agree that I am also against giving money to organizations that promotes hate, whether it’s affiliated with religion or not, that money is better spent on a better cause, and I also respect the fact that you don’t hate religious people, but also there are lots of institutions affiliated with religion that work for a good cause, a lot of churches and mosque provide shelter, gurudwaras are famous for providing food, atleast where I live

The thing is I don’t think a person should be judged for their beliefs but rather they should be judged based on their actions, a person kills someone, it should be condemned, no matter if he is a priest or the pope, a person donates money to the charity and helps someone, that should be praised, no matter what he believes personally about god

Me believing in a flat earth is me disbelieving in a proven fact, you would be right to call me dumb, but there is no study that disproves the existence of god, so if anyone believes in one, you can’t call him/her dumb because it’s not against any proven fact, it’s just that he thinks that life around him is enough evidence that someone out there exists, and there is nothing unscientific or unreasonable about that, and spouting hate comments against them and claiming they are dumb, banning them for wearing a piece of clothing is just wrong, no matter how you look at it.

[–] toastus@feddit.de 12 points 9 months ago

Hey first and foremost, thanks for the good faith discussion.

I want you to be reassured that I don't hate you for your religion.
And I don't think you or any religious person is necessarily dumb.
We just happen to fundamentally disagree on certain points that seem to hold at least some value for both our lives.

And I will gladly admit that believing in god has the fundamental difference to believing in a flat earth that you described. The flat earth is soundly disproven and the existence of god is not.

I would in reply try to refine my point to saying that I think believing in god is comparable to believing in the easter bunny or the often quoted flying spaghetti monster (that I purposefully didn't want to invoke earlier).

Yes you are absolutely free to believe in any of those things.
I would fight to defend your right to believe in them.

But I cannot ever accept it as truth or even an educated opinion to hold without any proof pointing specifically towards the existence of any god.

And not to end on a negative note.
I love life around me, I love nature, I love animals.
I think the world is a wonder.

I do not believe any god made it the way it is.
I have no reason to believe that.
I just love it for itself.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Nobody is saying that people should be judged by their religion. People here are saying Religion itself encourages anti-science and bigoted views.

Secondly, it's absolutely unscientific to believe that the lack of disproof is sufficient evidence for belief. This is fundamentally unreasonable and is just as much proof as saying that pigs can fly when nobody observes them.

No, religious people are not morally wrong for being religious, and they are not to blame. Religion itself is.