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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob? Just because something is well known to you doesn't make it well known to everyone. If there are no alternatives with the feature set you are looking for, then sometimes you even have to overlook questionable authors, sort of like Lemmy. If it's open source and has a license that allows forks, it doesn't matter that much.

You use open source because of functionality. It didn't used to be too long ago when people bothered to prove other people wrong through example instead of persecution. If you never convince people they are wrong, you just favor them creating and being in as much of an echo chamber as yourself. Even when they can't be convinced, there are other people listening to the conversation.

We support open source software (and hardware), and partner with developers and maintainers across the ecosystem. We deliberately create a big tent, because we want open source software to win. We don’t partner based on individuals’ or organizations’ beliefs, values, or political stances outside of their alignment with us on increasing the adoption of open source software.

Even just from looking at it from a practical standpoint, it would sink just about any company if they have to go full FBI investigation for every single member. If you agree with OP so much, then why do you not agree with OP?

perhaps it is indeed best to let it rest for now. i’ll certainly sleep on it now! :slight_smile:

Some people want to watch the world burn bridges.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob?

Yes, the community.frame.work is the preferred method for asking questions to Framework (see: https://frame.work/support), and the first post makes a few statements about non-Framework persons/projects and Framework has sponsored, and asks one question to Framework.

So, if you'd read the damn post, you'd know this is exactly how Framework asks to be engaged.

[–] SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago

plus it's their CEO, or their community manager in their name, directly addressing the questioner and going "you don't understand, under our big tent approach only 5% of people we give money to are controversial, let's not address your concerns and move on."

[–] VeloRama@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

from what i've seen online, the build quality of framework laptops is garbage as well. i'd rather get a (linux) laptop with solid build quality and use it a bit longer instead of having to replace the monitor hinges every year or so.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And that is relevant to the thread because ... ? I don't know, ദ്ദി ? If you are trying to make an objective evaluation of their products, you could not make seem any more of a smear attempt by replying in this thread out-of-context.

[–] VeloRama@feddit.org 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's relevant because we're talking about Framework. Product quality factors into evaluating the company besides their poloitical ties.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

ദ്ദി, but your evaluation means nothing to me but subjective hearsay.

Here is what responding in the actually proper context looks like: https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/181fl9m/what_are_your_major_criticisms_of_the_framework/