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[–] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Imperialism is cool as long as the people doing the imperialism call themselves socialists or communists πŸ™‚β€β†•οΈ

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Imperialism is when you have a civil war.

Liberals always think "imperialism" is when you say things about places you don't directly rule. I am begging you to learn about unequal exchange and foreign interference. Imperialism is a process of incredible violence where labor and resources are extracted, finished products are sold back at a high price, and governments who resist are interfered with. Imperialism is enforced by organizations such as the IMF, CIA, and US Military.

If China were like American imperialists, Taiwan would have been reduced to rubble long ago. A better example of imperialism would be the attempt America has been discussing to steal Taiwan's semiconductor manufacturing industry.

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You don't understand, western nations helped defend one side of the civil war and propped them up as part of a global ideological conflict they wanted to engage in with countries on the other side of the globe from them. Not agreeing to allow their proxy to act with impunity is textbook imperialism.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

smuglord Imperialism is actually when you are the victim of imperialism, checkmate tankies. The real imperialists are the country that avoid projecting power outside their own border and hasn't gone to war since the 80s, not the one with hundred of military bases around the world that they use to violently enforce their global hegemony.

[–] Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I am not defending US imperialism, just criticizing a double standard.

Imperialism is a state seeking to maintain and/or extend power over other states. That is exactly what China is doing with Taiwan. Of course, unequal exchange is also a form of imperialism.

Imperialism is when you have a civil war.

That's just wrong. What is true though is that civil wars more often than not are influenced by foreign powers trying to influence them to their own benefit.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago

All states influence other states. The point they brought up about "civil wars being imperialism" was said sarcastically.

Imperialism is where one nation financially dominates and plunders another. Conflict, bombing, coups, etc can all aid in this, but the fundemental baseline requires there to be plunder, not just influence.

Here's a decent article explaining imperialism.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Four decades of martial law and mass murder is cool as long as the people doing it say they're fighting the communists😊

I love liberals so high on their own farts they just straight up ignore TAIWAN'S OWN POSITION which is that they ARE China and have a legitimate claim to the entire Chinese mainland. How dare the EVIL PRC oppose them πŸ™„πŸ™„πŸ™„

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 22 points 4 days ago

Imperialism is when you don't concede that a bunch of fascists who fought and lost a civil war and then fortified themselves on an island with the help of foreign powers and violently purged dissenters get to claim to be the government of both your country and other neighboring countries. The more that you spend decades seeking reconciliation diplomatically instead of through military ventures, the more imperialist you are.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The PRC isn't imperializing Taiwan, though. China is not dominating and plundering Taiwan. The US Empire is using its alliance with the right-wing nationalists that fled there after they lost the civil war against the communists in order to have a millitary foothold in the region.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

China is not dominating and plundering Taiwan.

Really all that needs to be said. Imperialism is easy to recognize, because the enforcement is obvious. There's an international organization headquartered in DC whose business it is to tell countries they're not allowed to have welfare, and it's not the Bank of China^[It's the IMF.]. There's a spy agency that overthrows governments all over the world when they don't comply with its government's desires, and it's not the Ministry of State Security^[It's the CIA.]. There's a military that has hundreds of bases all around the world and has been in an almost continuous string of wars of aggression for decades, and it's not the PLA^[It's the American military.].

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

Got a text from someone that has been interacting with some folks from Taiwan on an international trip. This was how they described the situation.

They are in their 60's and grew up in Taiwan and own an apartment in Taipei, returning often, both speak Mandarin. They said the Taiwanese do NOT fear China, that is the opinion of the US government.

[–] Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Aah.

Posing a question on this same logic(I don't agree with this, just asking to see whether you view it similarly. Also, assuming that you are USAmerican):
Are the Southern states of USAmerica under imperialism now?
Or is imperialism cool when it's the Northern USAmerican states doing imperialism on the Confederate States?