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[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Wait until you hear that universities are just literal paywalls to seperate social classes so poor people can’t get good jobs that once were apprenticeships.

[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I mean, not the whole world is the US. Plus, at this point you'll get a better paying job if you go into trades.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's a trade school near me that is fucking free. They have a huge endowment and that pays for everything, even room and board for the on-campus students. They still have to advertise and meanwhile kids go $300K into debt to get a degree in English Lit. I'm all for a classic Liberal Arts education but god damn.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 points 4 days ago

In Germany, most trades are organized as apprenticeships with a split of work days and school days, which means you'll basically get paid for school!

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

Haha, yeah, if you actually look at how much you earn vs how much you actually work (quality of life), some trades like electrician or plumbers are so much better off than my doctor wife, it's not even funny :/

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 13 points 4 days ago

That's not fair, they're also debt slavery scams where they sell false hope to people. They even have entire military boot camp lite night release prisons where they brainwash you into going

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago

I assure you that's not how it works in Europe. Nowhere near as bad as the US, in any case.
I guess that's what happens when education is deeply ingrained in the culture.

[–] JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

Yeah there are plenty of degrees that shouldn't really be an area of study at university. But there are plenty that justify it as well

That's a pretty jaded way of thinking about it.

Universities don't exist to train you for a job, they exist to teach you how to learn. That's why you take a bunch of seemingly irrelevant classes, such as history, science, and English before you get into your specialization. Basically, half your education is unrelated to your specialty, and much of the rest is theoretical since you're expected to learn what you actually need in the field.

At the end of the day, most jobs don't require formal education and they're happy with practical experience. But most companies won't hire you wlfornyour first job without some indication you know what you're doing, and companies trust university degrees as that form of evidence. After your first couple jobs, they really don't care as much about your formal education.

There are other ways to get that experience, they're just a lot harder than going through formal education. I've hired self taught people that have been fantastic, it's just a lot harder to prove yourself.

That said, I wish there was a better way to tell kids what other options are. Everyone seems so focused on traditional university education that they don't consider alternatives.