A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I refuted the idea that this is a thousand year conflict

Ah, OK, so you're just refuting the idea that Israelites have lived there, in that very same region, for thousands of years, for which we have archaeological and historical data? All of that is a hoax? Like, an Egyptian dude was going "LOL, let's write those guys in, hilarity will ensue 3000 years later"?

None of the bullshit you’re spewing has anything to do with that.

Wow, maybe if you elaborated on what you meant, like I asked, then I'd understand what you meant better? Weird how communication works, eh?

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Ah, OK, so you’re just refuting the idea that Israelites have lived there, in that very same region, for thousands of years, for which we have archaeological and historical data? All of that is a hoax? Like, an Egyptian dude was going “LOL, let’s write those guys in, hilarity will ensue 3000 years later”?

Yes, their descendants are called Palestinians today. This also has nothing to do with the fact that the current conflict is 100 years old and not 1000 or thousands.

Wow, maybe if you elaborated on what you meant, like I asked, then I’d understand what you meant better? Weird how communication works, eh?

I don't know how much clearer I can make it: this "conflict" is a hundred years old and you are distorting history to support colonialism. The "Israelis" are settlers, the Palestinians are the native population, descended in part from the people "Israelis" claim falsely to be the continuation of. The creators and forefathers of the "Israeli" state, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl, were open about the colonial nature of their project.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 0 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

So, it's not about "Israelis vs Palestinians", or wider, "Israelis vs Arabs". It's just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That's it?

Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

So anyone who supported the end of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa was pro genocide.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia and South Africa? You can show me on the map.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia

Zimbabwe.

and South Africa?

Post-apartheid South Africa.

You can show me on the map.

A map highlighting the two countries mentioned above.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

I'm sorry, are you a disabled person? Or did you forget the point you guys were trying to make?

Rhodesia changed its government and name.

South Africa changed its government.

No third parties partitioned the lands of either.

Your examples are advocating for my approach of punishing the leadership and giving the people a fresh start.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

Telling that you can't separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.

So, it's not about "Israelis vs Palestinians", or wider, "Israelis vs Arabs". It's just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That's it?

It's about colonialism, which is exactly "Israelis" (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people). Again, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl were extremely open about this.

The only one here who is a proponent of genocide is you, because you support colonialism and colonialism is genocidal.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Telling that you can’t separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.

Why do you consider Israel to be the settler colony, and not Palestine of both peoples were in the exact same situation 80 years ago? Both were living in the region (and spread out all around the world, with a higher percentage of Israelis than Palestinians "roaming") for thousands of years, both nations were established at the exact same time with the exact same resolution. How is only one of them a "settler colony"?

It’s about colonialism, which is exactly “Israelis” (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people)

Again, this is only true if you either ignore all the archaeological and historical evidence we have, or are a fundamentalist extremist who's calling for a genocide. Which are you?

colonialism is genocidal.

That's not how words work, mate.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

"Israel" is a colony because it was founded by European settlers who OPENLY proclaimed that fact. They gladly and openly bragged that they were displacing and massacring the native Palestinians to colonize the region. All your bullshit about "Israelis" "roaming" is historical revisionism meant to justify the Nakba, which is a genocide. Ashkenazim are Europeans.

Settler colonialism requires the displacement and elimination of at least the vast majority of the native population to succeed, it is genocidal by nature. You are a genocide supporter and a genocide denier.