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Sudo is coming to Windows 11 (devblogs.microsoft.com)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by starman@programming.dev to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Hello Windows Insiders, today we are releasing Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 26052 to the Canary and Dev Channels.

Insiders in the Canary Channel will receive Build 26052.1000 while Insiders in the Dev Channel will receive Build

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[+] n3m37h@lemmy.world -18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Embrace, extend, extinguish. Fucking microcrap

[–] Evkob@lemmy.ca 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

...what?

I'm always aboard the Microsoft hate train, but I don't see how them adding sudo fits within EEE. Here's an excerpt from microsoft/sudo on Github:

Obviously, everything about permissions and the command line experience is different between Windows and Linux. This project is not a fork of the Linux sudo project, nor is it a port of the Linux sudo project. Instead, Sudo for Windows is a Windows-specific implementation of the sudo concept.

As the two are entirely different applications, you'll find that certain elements of the Linux sudo experience are not present in Sudo for Windows, and vice versa.

Despite sharing a name and features, they're for two completely separate platforms and offer no interoperability. If MS decided to release their version of sudo for Linux, maybe we could talk about EEE. For now, all they've done is implement a useful tool from another platform into theirs, and that's a (rare) positive for MS, even if this feature should have existed like 30 years ago.

[–] mondoman712@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Will this not dilute search results related to sudo? It's minor but I think could be considered EEE.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Sounds like a bit of a desperate reach to attach the EEE label to this.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Desperation is when there is no reason to think something can be done. I'm way past the stage of assuming honest intentions from M$. If this comes to bite us like EEE then shame on us.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

To be honest, it just sounds like you have an unnecessary chip on your shoulder.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

It's up to me to decide my friend from my foe, appears justified and important to me.

[–] Evkob@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago

I can definitely see this argument, but I strongly suspect the inverse will be true; finding results for MS sudo which aren't about Linux might be difficult.

After all, sudo has existed for a long time. Also, I assume over 90% of people who use Linux uses or has used sudo, whereas a tiny fraction of Windows users will ever use MS sudo.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Microsoft has done this already for tons of windows applications. For example, open up powershell and run “curl”. It’s a http downloader program, but not the one you think of, and the args are completely different. This has been the case for years, yet you can still find answers for curl problems by searching. I don’t see this being any different.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Linux subsystem for windows... Making it easier to stay off Linux, adding similar elements to Linux to appeal to Linux users.

It's 100% per of EEE, subtle as not to make users like you freak out.
MS won't do anything that doesn't help them make more money / more users

[–] Evkob@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Linux subsystem for windows

If you wanted to talk about EEE regarding Linux subsystem for Windows, you probably should specify that. I share your misgivings about WSL, but this thread is about sudo for Windows which is another thing entirely.

Making it easier to stay off Linux, adding similar elements to Linux to appeal to Linux users.

I have a hard time imagining Linux users switching to Windows because of a feature Linux has had since its inception. Of course MS won't do anything that doesn't increase their profits, that's what corporations do. Implementing "new" features is a way of attracting more users, sure, but I still fail to see any way in which sudo for Windows fits the EEE scheme. "Embrace, extend, extinguish" refers to specific predatory business practices, it's not shorthand for "everything I dislike about capitalism and the tech industry" and using it as such kinda dilutes its original meaning.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Some light reading

Seriously open your fucking eyes...