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There was an interesting post that I was linked to on Reddit, supposedly from Assassins Creed dev.
I'll quote it here:
"I been watching the fallout of the DLSS 5 video, and wanted to check in with with some game devs to check if I have been taking crazy pills, or if I have understood game dev incorrectly.
Games are not visuals, they are game mechanics and game loops skinned in visual interface. When we make games, we make all the things that work with our mechanism and loops, visually distinct and more importantly repeatable.
In assassins creed, all ledges that I can climb, look visually distinct from all other ledges. In most games, outlines and color is much more important, than what they look up close. They are used to identify what we are looking at, more than how realistic they look. These things are icons in the world, more than they are objects.
Light and Shadow are not just for visual pleasure, they are used to draw the eye towards objectives and where you should go.
In short, there is information in the visual representation of the game mechanics that are telling players what they should do and where they should go.
When I see video games processed through DLSS 5, I see stripped away game information, making games less playable, and more confusing. I could understand having this in a photo mode, but why on earth should we have this in any of our games, if we don't know what it will change it to? Or if it even will remain consistent next time you look at it?
Will it remove the yellow paint on my assassins creed ledges, or perhaps only up-rez the rest of the assets, and make the yellow ledges stand out like a sore eye? Will it remove scars that are story relevant from an RPG Character? Will it smooth out a wall that is supposed to look like it can be destroyed? There are so many visual important things in games, that I know this thing won't adhere to.
Did no one involved in making this video understand Game Design or Art Design?"
Yeah, at the very least, it will throw a whole bunch of details into the general area, which will make it harder to tell what's interactable.
We've had photorealistic games before, by taking literal photographs and using those as point-and-click levels. You practically don't see that anymore these days, because not being able to tell what's interactable was a major weakness.
Doesn't mean that DLSS 5 or the like will strictly have the same problem, but it certainly feels like these companies are trying to throw in photorealism again, with no regards for the cost.
From my understanding, it may be possible to work around some of this, since the program is meant to hook into the game in a number of different ways. Its very possible that an "importance" mask could be added as in input, for example. This wouldn't fix everything, but would still give a way to separate game elements from environmental details.
That said, theres been so much focus on how it looks. IMO, its completely overblown, especially when all of this needs to be manually configued on a game-by-game basis. Devs can tweak the settings to their own preferences, and make things more or less extreme.
The part thats much more worthwhile of mockery is the fact that they're demoing a consumer product on professional grade hardware, during a hardware shortage. They couldn't even get the demo working on a high-end gaming PC, and they think this tech is worth advertising? That is the funny part of all this.
The inputs from everything Nvidia has said, are simply the final pixel colour values and motion vector information. It’s meant to sit in the same post-processing stack as the upscale. It’s effectively a screen-space post-processing filter over the final image. Nvidia have said that the artist controls are masking (blocking certain areas from it), intensity (so a slider value), and some kind of colour re-grading (since it destroys the original grading). It’s extremely limited.
If it is the same as DLSS 4 Super Resolution, it seems to use motion vectors, colour buffers, depth buffers, and camera information like exposure. That said, this might change, as, like I said, they're showing off something they haven't even got running on the target hardware. Its clearly not even close to being a finished product.
And Nvidia are full of shit judging from how it clearly changes geometry in the demos, women's faces in particular
It's wild that every defense of this bs is "Just have devs spend even more time finetuning for this." Yes, let's double (or more) the workload of artists and programmers that are already overworked and crunched beyond reason, all for a "feature" that looks like garbage in its showcase demo and that's so resource intensive that very few users will be able to utilize it, if they even want to.
Its more an argument against the, "artisit's intent" and "disrupting gameplay" points.
Do you have any evidence for this? Given whats been shown, this seems relatively easy to implement on the game dev side.
Even if implementing it turns out to be trivial, testing art assets for quality and consistency will be a nightmare. Especially if the underlying generative AI isn't deterministic.
Even if implementing it is trivial, it's also still "one more thing". Just like optimizing for the Steam Deck, considering features that might not be on the lowest-tier console release, accessibility requirements, and dozens of other checklist items that might go further and further down the list. Worse, if DLSS ends up interfering with those other checklist items after it's already been verified.
Yes, but what the tech costs to implement has a huge impact on what it is, and how (or if) its ever implemented. So far as I can tell from my own research, the original commenter was lying, which makes sense. If it actually increased dev time that much, even Nvidia wouldn't be stupid enough to try and sell it. "AI graphics costs $10 million dollars to implement, and has negligible impact on sales." would not look good for their bubble.
Yes, depending on implementation details. I mean, its never going to be completely consistant, but I don't expect these companies to mind a little brand damage if they get short-term boost in invest.
I'm more thinking that as it stands, the hardware requirements make it DOA for users. They're saying they'll improve it, although I have my doubts. That said, even if no one can run it, it may be popular among publishers for screenshots and marketing. On the other hand, if it does actually double dev costs, then it'll be DOA even for corporate use.