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[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 88 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

I can actually see where it can improve security against scammers trying to scam elderly and non-tech savvy people.

  • Scammer tries to get someone to install malware from their site
  • Victim isn't familiar with sideloading, but scammer instructs them
  • Victim hits the first time 24 hour block and has to restart and wait
  • The restart alone breaks contact with the scammer, scam thwarted

For the rest of us that know our way around Android, it's just a one time annoyance, after completing all the steps to enable sideloading, you won't have to wait 24 hours anymore.

[–] zzffyfajzkzhnsweqm@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Scammers almost always install remote desktop app from play store. This is just anti competitiveness....

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 28 minutes ago
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Solution in search of a problem?

I have never seen a scam call involving sideloading an app on a phone... Why would they whenTeamViwer is in the Google app store?

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Fuck I dunno, I haven't used the Play Store since Covid lockdown. I rather prefer to sideload most apps and avoid Google for the most part anyways.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 29 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

Lets be real though, currently they already have to blow through 4 other warnings about installing unsigned APK and enabled the browser or file manager to be able to install applications. It's almost certain if they are that far deep/commited, they are going to call the scammer back if the scammer left a number.

Yes this might allow for a time delay where the scammers number could be disabled if reported by enough people, or someone else to be like "yo this is a scam" if they mentioned it but, I don't think this is as secure as they are saying it will be. The target audience for this is very unlikely to be thwarted by a time delay. Plus, the scammer will make some excuse about how the warning is just a safety percaucion and doesn't need to be followed as this is a normal usage of the toggle, and then have them call back after the delay is done.

For clarification: the target audience doesn't know about the scam, and all they care about is that someone is seemingly willing to assist with an issue or problem they have. Said person knows the solution and they just have to wait for the timer to be done to be able to do said solution. They have no reason of telling others about it (unless they were complaining about googles time delay) as they already got someone who is seemingly able to assist.

Honestly, having to have the user type "I agree that I have verified the application i am trying to install is genuine and not a fraudulent app" or a listbox of checkmarks to toggle in order to enable it would be far more efficient for this case.

Hell take the example image the article on the dev page has and make it into toggles instead and it would work far better than a timer does.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 37 minutes ago* (last edited 37 minutes ago)

Honestly, having to have the user type “I agree that I have verified the application i am trying to install is genuine and not a fraudulent app”

Ask Other Linus how well that sort of thing ("Yes, do as I say!") works, LOL!

I agree with you that Google's anti-competitive time delay BS is likely to be ineffective for its claimed purpose, but frankly, I don't think any other reasonable (i.e. non-rights-infringing) strategies would be effective either. Honestly, there's a limit to how much effort you should go through to save idiots from themselves -- and how much annoyance you impose on everyone else in the process! -- and I think we've already hit it.

[–] cageythree@lemmy.ml 6 points 12 hours ago

Honestly, having to have the user type "I agree that I have verified the application i am trying to install is genuine and not a fraudulent app"

Yeah, this would be the most promising approach IMO. Whenever I was forced to write something, I did pay more attention to what that said than if I ticked a box next to it.

Maybe even have them write "I am not instructed to install this app by someone else. I am aware that following instructions to install an app this way often have fraudulent intentions".

(Also if the language was changed recently, it should ask to write it in all languages that were set within the last 14 days or so. Otherwise the scammer will have them switch the language so they don't understand what they're writing)

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

Sadly, there's truth in everything you say. Scammers are gonna be scammers, and they'll just find a new technique plus the long standing social engineering to continue their efforts to rip people off of whatever they can.

Still, it's something in the middleground, to help grandma be less likely to get scammed, while also giving power users an out and way to keep using their devices the way they want.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 47 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'd believe that if most Pig Butchering scams weren't using apps from Google Play already.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 56 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

It’s going to be effective, but it’s a sad world where you have to create a total nanny state because there exist a subset of users who are INCREDIBLY stupid.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

It's sad, but this is the world we live in. It's constantly disappointing.

But I do want to push back a bit, the people getting scammed are not incredibly stupid, they're incredibly vulnerable. They're often people who are generally less tech savvy, but also they're people who don't have a lot to lose, it's a bit counterintuitive, but it's easier to scam people who take money very seriously.

[–] PseudorandomNoise@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Is it still a subset when it's the majority?

And to be honest, the level of effort scammers are willing to go through is shocking, and AI's just making it easier for them.

[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

Evidence that any significant percentage of people, never mind the majority, is getting scammed? Then how many of them via app installs?

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago

And to be honest, the level of effort scammers are willing to go through is shocking

Is it? If you live in a country like India, then a single successful scam will be able to pay for years of living expenses

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 30 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Anything less than the whole is a subset, yes.

Strictly mathematically even the whole world is a subset of the whole world.

[–] CainTheLongshot@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Something about the smartest bears vs the dumbest humans.