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[–] hesh@quokk.au 3 points 1 day ago (7 children)

If Google knows it outputs falsehoods and lets it continue it becomes purposeful. That makes them lies in my book.

[–] supamanc@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

If a newspaper prints lies you don't say the physical piece of pulped up tree you are holding is lying to you, you say the author is.

[–] hesh@quokk.au 1 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

If it's shown to the newspaper that they are lies and they keep on printing them, then yes I do call them liars as well. Whatever you want to call it, you must admit they are culpable for spreading disinformation.

[–] supamanc@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

No, you are proving my point here. You say 'they' as in the publishers/owners/printers of the newspaper. You don't blame 'it' the literal, physical piece of paper you are holding in your hands.

In the same way that you would not say a clock was lying to you if it displays the wrong time.

[–] hesh@quokk.au 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

OK, so I don't blame the GPUs crunching out the LLM lies, or the HTML on the page, I blame Google the company that programmed them.

[–] supamanc@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The point is, the LLM is not 'lying' to you. It's showing you information. It doesn't 'know' whether the information is true or not. It also doesn't 'care'. Because it is a statistical model and is incapable of those things. And if you scroll back to my initial point, I said "technically, it's not lying, because lying requires intent to deceive, and LLMs don't have intent"

[–] hesh@quokk.au 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What's the point of making this semantic difference though?

[–] supamanc@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Because 1) it's true and the article is a bit misleading as to whom is actually doing the lying and 2) it's important to remember that LLM are not sentient and to push back against the tide of language which subtly suggests they are.

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