reposting to see how much the lemmyverse has learned since the last time: https://lemmy.ml/post/7927508
the ultimate police state - 'security' is one of their top exports
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Wait let me predict the various responses that will be found from the lemmy liberals
"If everyone voted blue[MAGA] there would only be a little genocide and human rights violations"
"SlAvA UkrANi" (showing support for nazis)
"but but but china/russia bad!"
"BoTh ThInGs"
"BlueMAGA" is a false equivalence derived from horseshoe fallacy. The crazy fringe of Democrats aren't as numerous, nor as influential, nor as crazy, as MAGA.
If you have actual criticisms of Democrats, go ahead and make them, but constructing this "equal and opposite" both-sides trash is a thought terminating cliche.
lol the Democrats and Republicans ARE the same. Their foreign policies are the exact same.
And I don't give one single fuck about domestic policies, all it does is say that Americans care more about their own comfort and will allow the killing and exploitation of poorer countries for that to happen.
That's focusing on the decorum over all else. You don't think that the reputation of the US and the chaos is all Trump or Republicans... do you?
Just blatantly untrue, even the person I replied to could admit there would at least be less genocide and human rights abuse.
Not at all, nice strawman though. Crazy and influential refers to political goals and political power
Please look at all the shit Obama did, including authorizing killing random civilians in neutral countries and destroying Libya.
Biden gave a green light for the extermination of Palestinians in Gaza.
To us in the global south the difference isn't that big beyond aesthetics. I don't feel reassured if a democrat is in office because we'll be hit hard with IMF extortion starving our children, forcing us to give our resources and do a regime change or an invasion if we refuse, and other bullshit like that whether there's a democrat there or not.
But for the sake of argument, let's pretend the democrats are substantially better abroad. Harris campaigned on having the most lethal army, democrats being the toughest on the border and continuing the genocide in Gaza. If they aren't willing to do anything better than that then they don't deserve anyone's votes.
I didn't say Democrats are good, I said they're better.
I dunno, I think if even a single life is saved by voting for a Democrat, that would have been worth it.
There are things America does, which is bad and both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of, and there are ways Republicans are much worse. American imperialism will not be undone in a single election, and refusing to partake in incremental progress (or at least harm reduction) is throwing away any impact you could have in the system. Well, not you, but there are marginalized groups interior to the United States which face more oppression under Trump than they ever would under Harris, and saying their lives and suffering don't matter because "America gonna America" is just cold blooded. It's a really basic trolley problem and I have problems with the people who think they're above pulling a lever because both tracks have bodies on them.
Yes America bad, and yes Democrats bad, but sometimes they're the best choice available.
It is not worth voting for Democrat because you are still giving into the system and enabling genocide and exploitation. The entire system has to be overthrown.
It's funny to see liberals constantly rely on VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO that they're just mad that Trump is (R) and not (D). You don't care about marginalized groups by the way, that is for sure.
Marginalized groups have been under attack for decades and nothing has changed but it getting faster. And a liberal argument is that they want them to be killed slowly, while thinking that others opposed to this system just want them killed faster and therefore are bigoted. But herein lies the issue, why do liberals want marginalized groups to be killed slowly and out of view, instead of tackling this real issue head-on?
Democrats are pro-ICE, they think it just needs to be reformed. They only truly got mad when 2 white people got killed. Governor Tim Walz thinks that the problem with ICE is they need to do it during the night and not disturb people. (Does that sound like someone opposed to targeting marginalized people????)
Under Obama, ICE ramped up a lot and there were a lot of drone strikes on innocent people under his rule. But it's all excused because he was "polite" about it, further cementing that Democrats/Liberals only care about looking righteous, not being that.
How about Kamala Harris? Who is a brutal prison cop that also had unconditional support for "Israel" and considered Iran to be the biggest threat. Who was making fun of Trump that he wasn't deporting ENOUGH people!??!? She was platforming on being even tougher on borders. The reason people want Kamala is because they want a girlboss as a war criminal, because it's sexist not to also let women order strikes on people in other countries, instead of just throwing and burning this system overall.
Or Gavin Newsom? Who personally attended and participated in destroying homeless people's camps? Who has complete support for "Israel", just like Tim Walz and Kamala Harris. Who is also pro-ICE. Gavin is a horrible person too but the "VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO" insist even Gavin Newsom. Why? Because anything to get a Democrat, even if it's Hitler. And guess what, that kind of thinking is just like MAGA and Republicans, who also vote Red no matter what. And the problem with "VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO" is that you'd even vote for Trump if he ran as a Democrat lmao.
Just so you know, it's incredibly selfish and self-centered to argue only for domestic policies because it's "as good as it gets" and "lesser of 2 evils". It's resigning from responsibility of enabling brutal genocide and exploitation as well as throwing the entire global south under the bus for your own well-being.
The people of Iran don't care if the bombs dropped on them have (D) or (R)... because a bomb is A FUCKING BOMB!!!!