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[–] mub@lemmy.ml 79 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Putting anti cheats in single player games should be illegal.

[–] Fijxu@programming.dev 58 points 3 days ago (3 children)

But Denuvo is DRM software to prevent privacy, is not an anti-cheat :?

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 61 points 3 days ago (2 children)

DRM should be illegal. If we have devices that can copy information instantly, it’s not our fault that it’s incompatible with capitalism - seems like capitalism is incompatible with nature. Find a new business model.

[–] locuester@lemmy.zip 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Find a new business model

They did, running everything on their machines and charging us monthly to use it.

[–] eru@mouse.chitanda.moe 6 points 2 days ago

still sounds like capitalism to me

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago

The new business model is cloud subscription gaming. You sure you want to argue for that?

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 6 points 3 days ago

They have more than one product. They provide anti-cheat as well as anti-tamper

[–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It may have other nefarious uses but it is primarily anti-cheat software.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

... No, Denuvo is "anti-tamper" software, meaning DRM primarily with anti-cheat as a bonus.

[–] mub@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

According to their own site it is both apparently. Either way it is used for both purposes, and for single player that makes no sense.

[–] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But one of the 2 uses does make sense for single player games.

[–] mub@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Really? It constrains or prevents modding, which is a core part of PC gaming.

Copy protection for single player games is essentially pointless. Even GTA V let's you do what you want in single player mode because it is offline.

The only reason they might want anti tamper is to support in game purchases, which is equally senseless for single player games.

[–] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's an antipiracy measure, not anti modding. Have you never heard of denuvo before?

[–] mub@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To repeat myself . . . Anti piracy is pointless for single player games. Without the need for anything online game cracks don't have to work hard to bypass such copy protection. Also it is anti social, often requiring to be online just to play a purely offline game.

Do you WANT this stuff?

[–] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How is anti piracy pointless for single player games? Why does the number of players matter? Online vs offline again doesn't matter when the whole point is that the company wants to sell games rather than have people pirate them. And don't think I'm pro denuvo or something, you just don't seem to be making sense with your criticism.

[–] mub@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

If you want to prevent piracy don't make games ridiculously expensive, or block modding, or force users to be online when they shouldn't need to be.

Its the same problem TV streaming service are having. Their model worked when they priced it well and you didn't have to get 5 different services. Now that's happened privacy is well on the rise again.

It is nuts to think that copy protection for single player games makes financial sense when all it does is piss people off and encourage more piracy.

[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It also prevents modding/chesting in singleplayer games with microtransactions

[–] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

True, but i doubt any game devs are using it for that reason, it's just a side effect of the anti piracy.