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submitted 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) by arsCynic@piefed.social to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

Because of the ubiquity, nay, monopoly of systemd I always assumed it was miles ahead of other init systems. Nope. I've been using a non-systemd environment for a while and must say I'm surprised by how little breaks, i.e., next to nothing. Moreover, boot and shutdown times are faster, and more of that good stuff. I suggest trying it out.

https://nosystemd.org/.

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[–] False@lemmy.world 32 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I've never had systemd break either

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 6 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I have. Never had your machine just sit there and refuse to boot because a network share is down? Or because the wifi isn't connected yet? Or because its waiting on some nebulous thing until timeout..

Never had to crawl through journalctl to diagnose things and wanted to claw your own eyes out in frustration?

You are a fortunate person.

[–] KernelTale@programming.dev 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

My system once refused to boot, because I deleted a partition and didn't remove it from fstab. Thankfully it was an easy and fast fix but I would expect it to just boot and give an error.

[–] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 1 points 9 minutes ago

That's why I always put a nofail option for all my drives except the boot drive

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Right, that happened to me too.

And it's a problem 100% unrelated to systemd, so I wouldn't count it here.

[–] Archr@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If you are having those issues with booting maybe it is because you configured your network share incorrectly? If you are waiting on shutdown timeouts for something then just go edit the timeout. systemctl edit <stuck thing>.

Typically when I crawl through journald it is to diagnose a problem with a specific application. Actually, the fact that those logs are easily accessible in a centralized place with easy to understand commands to access them is a reason why systemd (or more specifically systemd-journald) is so great.

The only times that I have had major issues like that was either because (A) I misconfigured something or (B) a package came misconfigured.

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 1 points 2 hours ago

It is exactly configured as default.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I hate thoose timeouts. If only there was a way to manually trigger that timeout on shutdown tty, say Ctrl-C or something which can kill it

[–] Liketearsinrain@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I think CTRL ALT DEL does it but it's been a while and not sure it worked during boot.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

Ctrl+alt+del is reboot right? Also iirc that was also a systemd service(ctrl-alt-delete.service?)

[–] arsCynic@piefed.social 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I've never had systemd break either

That's not what I'm implying. Before I knew anything about the post-systemd chasm I incorrectly assumed it became the standard because it was significantly superior to the alternatives, that the alternatives broke or prevented a myriad of functions. Turns out they don't. At least not judging from my experience in general PC usage.