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It's fine for all those use cases. The M1 Air rocks all that 5 years later.
Also: install xcode, then
or something like that, and stretch macOS a little. I bet if they refresh the model with 12 GB of RAM running emulation and virtualization will be hot.
I wish using their os wasn't so painful coming from linux
Like, why is bash ancient? (3.2 vs 5)
Why is there no package manager (brew doesn't count, just as npm doesn't count as a legitimate package manager)
Why are the utils like ls and friends flag-order-sensitive (you can
ls -lah .but notls . -lah)Why do I have 40 network devices with cryptic names?
I got a fully loaded M5 at work and I don't want it. I just have a linux vm for doing work on it.
To avoid GPLv3, zsh is the new default.
Mac App store is the official one, can also install brew, macports, pkgsrc, or nix. Or use language/runtime specific ones like npm, pip, cargo, go.
They avoid GNU versions of utilities, for similar licencing fears as avoiding modern bash. That said
ls . -lahis unhinged, I don't know any other unix derived ls that supports that.Yeah they got some weirdo Apple stuff
None of these are good reasons for it to be like this.
zsh is much better than bash tho
but it isn't available anywhere else so I can't use it for scripts that get distributed.
If your script starts with
#!/bin/bash, both bash and zsh will run it fine. The bigger problem is the programs, filesystem and libraries being different. Which is why POSIX exists, if you're looking to write stuff that works across systems.I couldn't tell if you were honestly asking for explanations or if all of your complaints sum up to "it's different and I don't like that". Which honestly, fair.
not exactly. if you're worried about the differences between bash 3 and 5, you're probably using some intermediate bash-exclusive features because that's the headlining changes between these versions (google says associative arrays and new shellvars. even if zsh has equivalent features, the syntax would be different.) it's only "guaranteed" to run fine in both shells if the shebang ends in
/shto call the POSIX shell without any bash- or zsh- specific features.i don't get what @greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo means by this though
Production server does not have zsh. Other developers aren't on macbooks. Ergo, I cannot use zsh (it sucks anyway)
bash 3.2 means that no, it wont run.
What bash scripts are you writing that you expect to run on both a Mac laptop and a production linux server? You can install the newer bash if that's what you're used to, but you're surely going to run into issues like
ls . -lahfar quicker than differences in bash since 3.2Even on a linux desktop you're going to have differences from a production server, you'd want to be using something like ansible, or replicating production in a local test environment in a container or VM. Exactly like you have done.
How'd you end up being the only one at your workplace to be given a Mac? Even with a linux VM, being on ARM can cause issues with compatibility.
Yes, the flag ordering is infuriating.
Everything is in docker containers because macos is contaminated.
And I'm not, its just the crayon-users like macos so I'm stuck with it. Its a tonka-toy OS I'm being subjected to and its infuriating. I don't know why these things are popular, the keyboards are heinous and the screens are smeary blurry over-driven messes.
And the OS stinks.
brew isn’t like npm at all though?