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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

If the peaches are worth less than they cost to harvest, the value of the labor already invested is lost, and the farm as a whole is at risk. Especially for the remaining family farms, this means that corporate farm companies will buy the land and consolidate their power.

THIS IS LITERALLY CAPITALISM DUDE

You are so deep in this shit that you can't even see how it's coloring everything you're saying here.

If we lived in a society that didn't value profit over feeding humans, none of what you said would matter. What would matter would be making sure everyone is fed. Even if that means someone has to do work that isn't "profitable".

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

I can kind of see where both of you are coming from.

This doesn't necessarily mean we are going to be compromising feeding humans, it simply means they are backing away from peaches, specifically. If people don't even want to eat that many peaches, then we might be wasting farming capacity and we should be growing different crops. Maybe a more dense crop, maybe with other nutritional properties. If you insist on continuing to grow peaches that people don't even want to bother eating, then you aren't helping people get the food and nutrition they need, you are just generating rotting fruit. It says they are giving money to farmers to help them pivot to different crops.

But we might have too many peaches in the first place because of capitalist flaws. Some del monte leadership mismanages things and wastes valuable cropland on trees that aren't really what people want or need.

Or it could have darker outcomes, like 'poors' are hungry but we don't think it's worth it so we just convert acres and acres of arable land to datacenters for the tech bros.

But, by itself, cutting back on one crop does not necessarily mean it's some capitalist disaster.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

No, that's a free market, as I explained before you stopped reading.

You're the only one talking about profit. I never have. Oh wait, I bet you don't understand what profit is, either. That's wealth gained above and beyond the value of the labor input, because the consumer price is higher than it needs to be and/or labor is being undercompensated for their work. Profit is what the ownership class takes from labor without adding any real value. Yes, that's capitalism. Profit isn't "I have this thing which is a manifestation of my labor, and I will exchange it with you fairly for something you have which is a manifestation of your labor. We might even use an agreed-upon third carrier of value (currency) to make our exchange simpler and fairer, and make it so that lots of things are readily exchanged between all sorts of people. That makes the fair distribution of wealth more efficient (ideally).

This will all make more sense when you're out of your mom's basement.

[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 2 points 11 hours ago

The US government had several programs to buy farming surpluses, ensuring the farmers were adequately paid and food was not wasted, before the corporate farms lobbied them out of existence. You're talking down to someone while not seeing the connection in your own statement between profit and cost.