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That’s no reason not to ask
Giving up only means that it will never happen. Having the balls to demand, it means it will at least remain a thorn in the Nazis side.
And if you ever propose the argument, other than “fuck the Nazis“, then I can’t see why anyone should ever back you
Agreed, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
To take it a bit further: this is why the elite echelon of society is full of narcissistic assholes. Normal people feel shame when asking for more than their fair share. All the rich know is "gimmee" and "mine" so they naturally plunder their way to the top through their shamelessness and lack of self reflection and empathy.
Normal folks could get a bit more shameless about demanding our fair cut and a huge chunk of the rich and powerful could stfu and shamefully reflect on everyone they exploited to get to where they are. Actually we could all reflect a little more because even the low middle class American/European lifestyle floats on a pool of blood and exploitation, even though we like to pretend our shit doesn't stink.
We talk about "top-down" economics. How about "bottom-up" instead. Once everyone has free healthcare. Once everyone has food. Once everyone has basic human rights. Then, and only then, does the money trickle up so you can buy a yacht. The incentive to make society succeed is still there, but suddenly there's an incentive to uplift the most vulnerable instead of ignoring, mistreating, or even exterminating them.
How about tax hikes that slow down when quality of life indicators go up. The faster and more comprehensively corporations unfuck their shit, the slower we hike it. Comply or pay.
I know this already a wall of text, but I also want to tie it in with bargaining. Have ya'll ever been to a big street market in a country with shopkeepers who are extremely skilled and shrewd when it comes to bartering? The rich and powerful are the shopkeepers and we're the naive American tourists flooding the market. They're gonna tell you that their kids are gonna starve if they knock $10 off that fake Rolex or that their boss will be angry. They definitely try to make you think that it cost them more than the screaming deal they're giving you. That's not always true, but the narrative is often effective to separate the tourist and their money. We have to be shrewd, we have to be cutthroat, and we have to be willing to walk when companies don't play on our terms.
All of text? You can’t defeat my argument with points I never raised. At this point, you’re just defeating yourself.
I understand your frustration, but if all you can think of is ways to lose, you’ll never think of ways to win
If you ever feel that “fuck the Nazis” is flawed logic, then you’re a Nazi
And you have no logic to argue
Except the nazis who matter don't give a shit. You think musk is going to give this a second thought? All this amounts to is a distraction. The problem with bills like this is they take away resources from something that can do some actual good.
It brings it up for further bills. Adds history. Precedence that its worth making a law.
Does it add meaningful history or precedence? There was a MN State Legislator that proposed a bill to formally define Trump Derangement Syndrome as a mental illness. It was a worthless "look-at-me" attention grabbing bill that never had a chance at passing. Did it move the needle at all for conservatives or was it just something they could chuckle about with all their idiot friends? I'd bet good money you won't see such a massive shift in American sentiment with regards to corporate profit in your lifetime if it ever could pass. So to propose a bill like that does nothing.
And you automatically lose this round of “are you a piece of shit?”
This would be a nicer place if everyone extended a little grace to each other. It seems unlikely that the commenter meant “the Nazis who personally, emotionally matter to me” and pretty likely that they meant “the Nazis who are unfortunately very powerful.”
Maybe you’re right. But if they automatically give in to the powerful fascists, then what use would they be in a fight against them?
In a war against fascists, against Nazis, one must consider their collaborators as fascists, as Nazis
If I’m living in 1941 Paris, and I turned in my gay neighbor and my Jewish friend, how am I any better than any SS officer marching down the street?
Of course, without any consideration, I’m obviously not. I might as well be shoveling bodies into ovens at Auschwitz.
There are no shades of gray here. The evil herein is black and white, and quite absolute.
And never forget: unforgivable
But if your fight against the nazis will only waste your energy and have no discernible effect on their cause, what good is it? In fact, your fight could serve the opposite purpose if it feeds their persecution complex. They can point to your failed fight in propaganda to fuel their movement. I'm saying fight smarter, not necessarily harder. I'm not saying don't fight at all.
That’s not the starting point in the argument we’re dealing with because that is not the reality of the situation. And if your counter argument is against propaganda, then dishing out a bunch of propaganda about how the winning side is losing, then I dare say the first thing you need to deal with is how you’re drowning in hypocrisy.