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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Nobody voted for paper straws, glued bottletaps or AliExpress tariffs. Enough people voted for this.

EU is hardly a democracy. More like an enlightened despotism. "All for the people, but without the people".

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I get the feeling you are not really aware of how the EU functions. Despotism is absolutist rule, calling that the EU or any EU institution is pretty absurd and detached from reality. There is hardly a political entity, less centralised than the EU, still capable of routinely drafting common legislation. Also, while there is a democratic deficit (but hardly larger than in many other democracies nowadays), the Commission is elected into power by the directly elected European Parliament and can't pass ordinary legislation without a majority in the EP in support of it and the latter having the power to amend the hell out of it, if it doesn't outright veto it straight away.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Europarliament representatives voting has nothing to do with the programs they get elected for.

When they present themselves to the election they show people a program. Then they do whatever they want, untelated with that program they were voted to achieve.

It's a detached institution. People elected for the european parliament get outrageous salaries, and barely get audited.

I remember when chat control was being voted. I wrote my representatives, none of them answerer, none, not a single one. If they cannot even talk to me about things I worry sure as hell they are not representing me.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I thonk this is false on many levels. Party groups are acting largely within their programs. Topics like Russia, Ukraine, EU integration (pro/contra), environment, regulation vs fighting red tape, Immigration etc. were present in the debate.

It is not complete, after all coalitions need to compromise and also the other legislative chamber gas a say for good reasons but generally I don't see more divergence than on national level.

What I do see however, when comparing to Austria is that MEPs are more approachable than MPs and there is a higher chance that they might be influenced by public pressure. They are also much more engaged in actual legislative work in committees and not just in rubber stamping in the plenum.

Your example of chat control is actually confirming that. A majority conservative EP voted how on it again? MEPs were drowning in messages, I am not sure what you expected. The point was not for you to get back an assay but the drowning in messages was already the point and it worked.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Did your representatives had in their program tariffs for AliExpress or Shein?

Mine didn't, they voted in favor of it regardless.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yes national parties always campaign on the introduction of new fees and taxes and every new law is in every party program, naturally also when coalitions govern.

That said, yes the tariffs on small orders are in line with the program of the party I voted for. They are also reasonable. Disposable fashion platforms (and also other Chinese companies) were systemmatically mislabeling shipments to avoid existing tariffs. Thanks to international agreements they can also ship at dumping prices (for less than the cost of a letter to the neighbour village within a country). Adding that tariff merely raises the shipping price to a level that is closer to domestic shipping. It also creates an incentive to not split up everything into countless part shipments, reducing the load on insfrustructure. Last but not least, it reduces the incentive for mislabelling.

PS: I am shopping myself occasionally in China, so I know the practices and I understand the need for stricter rules.

[–] purple_mimosa@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

We have a serious democracy deficit. And without democratic accountability, it's hard to see a bright future for it.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

The Commission is accountable to the directly elected European Parliament, by the fact that the latter can vote the former out of office anytime.