114
this post was submitted on 14 Feb 2024
114 points (97.5% liked)
Technology
59534 readers
3195 users here now
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Our Rules
- Follow the lemmy.world rules.
- Only tech related content.
- Be excellent to each another!
- Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
- Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
- Politics threads may be removed.
- No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
- Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
- Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
Approved Bots
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Just go PC and don't worry about corporate lifecycles anymore
gpu and cpu vendor enter the chat
Fair but thats your choice to upgrade. No one says you have to, and they don't lock games behind needing insert current gen CPU or gpu
Your choice to upgrade just your GPU for as much or more than the entire cost of a PS5 as frequent or more frequently than you’d need to buy a new PS5.
As an avid PC gamer and PlayStation enjoyer, part of the console appeal is being able to drop a relatively small amount of money (compared to a gaming PC) on a single console and then you just don’t have to worry about upgrades or the performance of games for like 6+ years. There are a lot of us long time computer nerds that are just tired of unoptimized trash or new technologies making our rigs outdated in as little as a year or two.
There's also the simplicity. I enjoy my PC for sure but for some people the ease of popping in a disc or downloading the title and it running perfectly on the first try is a major selling point. Troubleshooting my Ex's PC for 2 hours only to realise I didn't install the standoffs is an experience I can't get on console.
Hey, have some faith in yourself! I'm sure you can fuck up your console hardware just as well as your ex's PC!
Oh yeah 100%. If I want to play the latest casual open world adventure game, I don’t want to spend time trying to figure out why I’m having mysterious frame rate dips. Do I need new drivers? Is the game poorly optimized? Is it a bug? Is their V-sync implementation broken? Is it an issue with my specific graphics card vendor so I’m SOL? Is it a thermal issue? Let’s spend all Saturday figuring it out.
Or just buy it on PS5 and it just works.
more frequently is very far from the truth. only if you want the latest and greatest just for the sake of it, but you dont actually need ultra 4k graphics at 200fps.
my friend still has a gtx960, all modern titles run fine. my 2070 will last me at least 4 more years easily. my rig is more than 2 years old and theres nothing wrong with it at all.
Oh it’s the truth my friend. I have a rig with a GTX 1660 and it does not run modern games well at all. You can forget 4k 200fps, just 1080p and a stable 60 is more often than not too much to ask for. It absolutely does not keep up with the PS5 that is only a year newer and half the price. A lot of new releases are almost completely unplayable at this point but I can download the newest launch games on PS5 and know I’m getting the best experience.
PCs have a much higher quality and performance ceilings if you want to spend thousands, but the days of PC gaming being the platform for best value to performance are long over. Trying to buy a modest gaming PC that lasts you 5+ years is an exercise in frustration.
My brother in christ, the GTX1660 is a mid/low tier card from 5ish years ago. It also precedes and is inferior to the GPU in a PS5 by a loooooooooong shot. My 2070 is about as powerful as a PS5 and my experience is high graphics by default without issues every time.
That said, I'm struggling to believe you can't run games well. I play games regularly with someone who has a mobile 1650. A GTX960 can run literally all modern stuff with settings turned down, incl. Cyberpunk. Is a PS4 packing this much punch today? Nah.
It obviously isn't like it was 10yrs ago but its very much still cheaper in the long run if you don't mind that a 5yr old GPU can't play things at max settings anymore (just like consoles, btw!)
If you tell me you built your rig in the pandemic/bitcoin era It'll make much more sense to me.
My point exactly. This particular rig was built the year the PS5 came out. It was the current generation at the time and it cost twice as much as the PS5 despite having a GPU that was, in your words “inferior to the GPU in a PS5 by a looooooooong shot”.
You’re literally comparing your 2070 to the PS5 saying it’s “just as powerful” as a PS5 despite the fact that the cost of the 2070 alone is the exact same price as the entire ps5. Including the controller.
Despite my 1660 TI rig’s cost being twice that of a PS5, the 1660 as you mentioned struggles to play modern games unless the graphics are turned way, way, down and even then you’re often times shit out of luck. My PS5 that is the same age packs one hell of a punch still and plays any new game that comes out with fantastic graphics and a solid 60fps.
The PC is a great platform if you have fuck you money and have $2000 for a GPU alone. That’ll get you a machine that lasts. But the “pandemic/bitcoin” era never ended. Prices have come down, but the days of affordability and value are gone and aren’t coming back.
That explains it. It was a bad time to buy both pcs and consoles and is probably the crux of the issue here. If you are talking MSRP, sure, but the PS5 was heavily inflated at that time too and sometimes still is. That's if you were lucky to be able to even buy the thing. If you did find it at MSRP, thats was an awesome deal because consoles also tend to be much more cost effective vs PCs at launch.
Even then I still can't find any console in my country for cheaper than a comparable PC, and the PC will last longer than a console generation. I put this and the fact I'll need a PC anyway when doing my cost analysis. I also factor in game cost, and PSN, and such. I just realized this might be different in the US, sorry.
You don't need a 2k GPU, period. A fraction of that will get you console level performance, and thats almost always more than enough. If you have $200 or less you can probably get something that supercedes my 2070 by quite a bit today and have a few bucks left over. And you can resell your old one for some money back.
But lets just rewind a bit, If a 960 can run TLOU and hogwarts legacy, a 1660 should very much still run any game you throw at it, even at reduced settings. What kind of problems do you have with games not running? Did a new, very heavy game came out that I'm not aware of?
Maybe its something you can fix and be able to use it frustration-free?
Yes the crux of the issue is that it’s currently a bad time to buy PCs and a great time to buy consoles.
I think your issue is that you’re more than a little out of touch with reality. You can’t even get a 2070 for $200 or less, how would you get something better lmao.
A 960 only satisfies the minimum requirements for Hogwarts Legacy and it doesn’t even meet the minimum requirements for TLOUP2. So the “modern came that came out you don’t know about” came out 4 years ago my dude.
The way to fix the performance of a 1660 ti is to replace it with a better card, that will cost hundreds of dollars. Or I can just buy the same games in the PS5 that will run them flawlessly and continue to do so for a number of years with the money I already spent. Once again it’s a no brainer.
I'm exemplifying an old card (960) that run much newer games well because you just didn't elaborate how your 1660 is so bad. I don't see how any game woudn't run on it that soon.
And cards are not that expensive anymore. At least not here. A sub-$200 card can definetly be had that supercedes a 2070. I Google it and found it on stock.
But if you think its just not worth it, then it isn't really for you I suppose.
But it doesn’t run much newer games well at all. You listed two games as examples and one of them it doesn’t even meet the minimum requirements. The other one it barely meets. You’ve literally proved yourself wrong. The current recommendation for VRAM when playing modern games has been 8gb for a couple years now and it’s trending more towards 12gb now. The 1660ti only has 6. The card is just lacking, there’s nothing to be fixed.
They are still very expensive here in the US, and they don’t drop much in price after they age. If I go on Newegg right now and filter GPUs to $200 or less the best Nvidia card on offer is a 3050. A generation newer but two models below the 2070. You’re just making things up to prove your point but everything you say is just verifiably false lol. It’s like you’ve been thawed out of a block of ice after being frozen for 6 years and you’re not adapting well to your new reality.
And yes, it’s objectively not worth it unless you specifically want a gaming PC. If you’re in a position where you’re comparing a gaming PC and a console though, dollar for dollar, console wins. It’s just basic math, I don’t get what’s it’s so hard for you to understand.
I mean they kind of do with performance and unoptimised games. I can't play many current AAAs on my 1050Ti. Cyberpunk for example.
1050Ti is ps4-tier
it does run it at least medium settings though, unless theres something very wrong.
I've not even attempted cyberpunk cause i didn't want to waste money on it for a game that is unlikely to run well. I don't think it reaches their min specs, at least it didn't initially unless they've changed.
And yeah theoretically a 1050Ti is PS4 level but the heavy hitters of the PS4 would run like shit in comparison on my PC. Just due to how much better optimised console games are compared to their PC counterparts.
cyberpunk should definetly run well enough on that card. low/mid mixed settings at 1080p, about what the PS4 does. especially now that its all patched up.
ive 100% seen worse cards run it. cyberpunk is a pc first game.
get yourself a pirated copy and test it out. or even easier, theres probably tests on youtube for that card so you can judge it yourself.
now, yeah that era's ports were optimized like shit on pc and some are still bad to this day, but pc gamers get very caught up with the settings and how high they are when the consoles are probably running at "medium".
Alan Wake 2 enters the chat