Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.

If you're a server admin, please defederate Meta's domain "threads.net"

If you don't run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate "threads.net".

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[+] money_loo@1337lemmy.com -15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

“We need to defederate from them” is not a petition…

Also, you could just choose not to subscribe to them, go to a place where they are defederated, or even just block them yourself with the right apps.

That’s a whole lot of choice for you in a platform based around decentralization and user choice.

But on the flip side if you just make everyone defederate them, then you’re removing user choice completely just based on your personal feelings on the matter.

That doesn’t seem fair to me just because you personally hate something that I don’t.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We're not making anyone do anything. This is a pledge for admins to volunteer for, to send a message that this instance won't be welcome. There are going to be pariah instances, that's the nature of federation. If you can't find an instance to follow that federates with them, then that just means the thing you want is deeply, deeply unpopular.

If you care enough, you could join their instance. You could start your own instance and federate with them. Go for it. If and when your own instance becomes a pariah I'm sure you'll whine about people taking away your freedom to be an asshole at them online, because nobody can make you learn a lessom you're clearly set on not learning.

[+] money_loo@1337lemmy.com -17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you can't find an instance to follow that federates with them, then that just means the thing you want is deeply, deeply unpopular.

MFer how you expect me to find any if you keep going around begging them to wholesale block access.

Just don’t subscribe to it, or block it yourself! You don’t get to decide for everyone else what content they can access here

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Your complete unresponsiveness to anything I've said leads me to ask a very simple and basic question: are you actually curious to understand my answer to your question?

[+] money_loo@1337lemmy.com -16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah bro I’m super curious why you get to decide for all of us what content we can see here. Please answer that I guess?

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

See what you did there? You didn't admit to being curious to understand what I'm saying. You dictated what you think I'm saying, then reframed your answer around that.

In effect, you appear to not be curious to understand me because you believe you already do.

If you actually were curious to understand, then the reply, "I don't get to decide for all of you what content you can see here" would be deeply alarming. It might cause you to stop and take stock, and wonder why I don't agree with your characterisation of what I have said.

Let me know if you actually want to hear what I have to say without putting a box around what you're prepared to hear.

I honestly would love to understand where you're coming from, but until I understand why you're so convinced I'm saying something I'm not, I don't see how I'll be able to.

[+] money_loo@1337lemmy.com -10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Or you could just not ask your admin to block Threads for everyone else if you personally don’t want to see it.

Seems pretty straightforward which option leaves users the choice to decide for themselves what they want to see.

That way neither of us has to pretend to give a fuck what the other thinks. Hooray!

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Ah, so there it is: "neither of us has to pretend to give a fuck what the other thinks"

You've said it. You've shown it in your behaviour and now you've said it. FWIW, I upvoted your honesty.

You have of course projected that attitude on to me, I imagine in order to assuage the creeping feeling that if you admit outright, with your whole chest, "I personally don't give a fuck what you think" you would expose yourself as irretrievably disingenuous. It's inescapable however. I have said that I am curious to understand what you have to say, and you threw that back in my face by telling me I wasn't. You are only responsible for your own curiosity, and you have said that you have none.

I'm sorry, I don't respect this method of engaging. It's a coward's way out, and it's why you are deeply unconvincing. When you just beat your head against the other person's comments and insist that they are wrong with no curiosity to understand their words, it leads to situations where you're asking, "MFer how you expect me to find any if you keep going around begging them to wholesale block access," when the answer to that question is in the comment you're replying to. If you never engage, if you never open your mind to other people's ideas, you can't respond to them in a coherent way.

Ironically, this entire thread is you claiming you want to hear a diverse range of ideas from Threads, which again, nobody is stopping you from doing. We're just saying we don't want to host them. That's a different thing.

What I don't understand is why you don't support us using our voices to support defederation. Sounds like you're trying to silence us. That makes sense of course, since you've just said you don't care what we have to say. It's the WHY that I don't understand, but I've never had an answer to this question.