There are specific definitions and I'm sticking to them. If your economy has capitalists controlling companies with workers trading their labor for a wage underneath them, then it is capitalist, full stop.

Unless your economy is full of co-ops or something. I don't know the common typical structure for a nordic company.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You haven't even read a single "basic definition" my man.

Here's one :

Socialism

Dictionary

Definitions from Oxford Languages

socialism

noun a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned OR REGULATED by the community as a whole.

If your economy has capitalists controlling companies with workers trading their labor for a wage underneath them, then it is capitalist, full stop.

Youre refusing (or unable, lol) to understand that "capitalism" does not equal market economies.

Selling things doesn't mean capitalism. Trading goods doesn't mean capitalism. Owning a company doesn't mean capitalism. Having companies with workers doesn't mean capitalism.

Jesus fucking God I'm tired of explaining concepts that my 8 year old niece could google and learn by her self in five minutes

"unless you have a planned economy you're not socialist"

Yeah, exactly the point I'm making. Brainwashed morons think socialism means full planked economy, when it's no such thing.

Fucking spend 2 min on Google, is it so much to ask?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism

Fucking perpetuating shitty 70's red scare propaganda mf sides are hurting.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I said nothing about a planned economy, now you're putting words in my mouth.

Ever hear of libertarian socialism?

Edit: I get the feeling we are talking about the same thing using different terms...

[+] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you're going to continue to insult me and gaslight me, we are done here. Have a good day.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How am I "gaslighting" you?

You literally said "Unless your economy is full of co-ops or something [it's not socialist]".

You're referring to the collectives of the Soviet union. A distinct feature of PLANNED ECONOMIES.

"I never anything about a planned economy."

Yes, you did. And now you're pretending you didn't. Like pretending reality isn't what it actually is. Trying to convince me something that happened didn't happen. Is there a word for behaving like that...?

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Why do you think a co-op can only ever possibly exist in an authoritarian soviet type system? My power company is a co-op.

Here, I'll help you:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative

Nothing in there except a tiny blurb about the Soviet Union as far as I can see. A soviet "worker's council" is not a cooperative.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And where exactly do you live? Is it a socialist state, then?

Don't pretend like you weren't implying Soviet style collectives.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Don’t pretend like you weren’t implying Soviet style collectives.

Why do you believe this? I'm a fuckin' anarchist for christ sake. I already mentioned libertarian socialism once.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Your personal politics doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you think "It's only socialism if X" which you pull out of your arse.