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[–] SharkAttak@kbin.social 57 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Gee, now it makes me think there's an ulterior motive to conquering Taiwan..

[–] unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Yes, all of the most advanced chip making factories are in Taiwan. It's the biggest reason that the US passed the CHIPS act and also why there is so much geopolitical tension around Taiwan.

Why did you think there was so much focus on Taiwan? Boba is great and all, but surely it doesn't merit the protection of the US Navy. 😁

[–] RedWeasel@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

TSMC is like the world’s biggest shield right now.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 8 months ago

It's probably the modern reason, but before semiconductors there was already a lot of nationalistic tension around Taiwan.

[–] QuantumBamboo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 months ago

I would love to have been a fly on the wall when the person who came up with the name Creating Helpful Incentives to Produce Semiconductors revealed their idea. I've got an image of someone sitting on their hands, eyes wide and shaking slightly as their desire to share it tries to burst out of them!

[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Yes, all of the most advanced chip making factories are in Taiwan.

Not really. The most advanced manufacturing sites are still in laboratories in the United States and Europe, it's just that they are not suited for mass production.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, all of the most advanced chip making factories are in Taiwan.

Intel is back in the game with PowerVia after the endless blunder that was 10nm.

In grander strategic terms Taiwan is, technologically, erm, dispensable. Both Europe and the US can, independently, make chips that are good enough, that are fast enough, to be used in any application the question is whether they're cheap enough for high-end commercial use. The military doesn't care if a chip costs twice as much and is twice as heavy the propellant and warhead of the rocket weigh magnitudes more anyway.

Where Taiwan is indispensable is being a thorn in China's side which has strategic value all of its own.

[–] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago

China's version of Cuba.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 months ago

The entire reason they haven't tried yet is because they know they can't do it without TSMC being scuttled.

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Well the thing is Taiwan's official name is the Republic of China and they, just like the People's Republic of China, consider themselves to be China. Officially it is a reunification (by force if necessary) of the two China's. Its not like North and South Korea where they are officially separate countries because they both consider themselves to be one country. It's a complicated situation from a civil war and colonization from Japan.

[–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tell you what's really hilarious is listening to Chinese (mainland Chinese, any province) completely lose their shit and turn into a rabid psychopath driveling screaming moron as soon as anyone says "Taiwan number one!".

They act like it's the most offensive possible thing that can be said apart from Xi looking like Winnie the Pooh.....because he does of course.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Nationalists are a funny bunch.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They consider themselves to be China, but don't want to be part of the People’s Republic, I wonder why..

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

No, the Republic of China considers itself to be the official Chinese government and that other government, the People's Republic of China, is a rouge state. The RC doesn't have the military might to bring them under control and the PRC feels the same about the RC. It's like if Texas and other southern states went rouge, declared themselves the United States of America, claimed all 50 states as part of America, and DC called BS and also claimed all 50 states. If no force is used to reconcile then only negotiations remain and that is where China is now.

[–] stembolts@programming.dev -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

"consider themselves to be China"

"reunification (by force if necessary)"

Your own statement conflicts itself. If Taiwan considers itself part of China, why would force be necessary?

Taiwan doesn't consider itself to be a country? Taiwan seems to disagree with that.

This post is full of dumb.

[–] menemen@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What they tried to say is, that Taiwan also considers mainland China to be their rightful territory. Taiwans official name is Republic of China, Mainland China's official name Peoples Republic of China.

Both consider themselves to be the rightful government of the whole China (including both mainland China and Taiwan). Both do not consider the other parties rule to be legitimate.

It really is comparable to Korea or pre-unification Germany. Both governments are united in following the "one China principle".

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Ok since my "post is full of dumb" let me provide some reference material so you can enlighten yourself. Here is a Wikipedia article on the One China policy. Here is on from the Taiwan page.

EDIT: Also I never said that Taiwan considers itself part of China. I said that the Republic of China considers themselves to be China, as in, the official Chinese government. The PRC also considers itself to be official China and it considers Taiwan to be a rogue state, like how Catalonia was going rouge in Spain except the Republic of China considers itself the govt of China.