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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

It seems clear they don't want us using their site with videos.

I think publishing video files on the Web is not some unique know-how.

By the way, neither is search, neither are ratings.

And "being in the same space" with the rest of the world is an illusion due to the way recommendations work there. I mean, it's sufficient to look at the views counter under a video and combine it with some other numbers to realize this.

Freedom is so close. It's not in defeating the network effect, it's in realizing that it's fucking useless in anything but scaring us away from leaving trap spaces.

[–] HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Seems like something like Gray Jay is a very easy way to transition off of these sources, too. Just have a source agnostic player.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

From what I see it still means using YouTube for people transitioning from it, just via its API or scraping or something.

I meant that there's no need to be afraid of losing YT.

[–] HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But still getting off of YouTube as the source, right?

Do I understand you correctly?

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I meant that it's unnecessary to use YouTube in any capacity.

[–] HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 months ago

The reason I like Gray Jay is that it is source agnostic, so you can still use YouTube (because that is where the content is now) while also using other sources.

I would like to see videos posted to ipfs.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You say this- many people do but no one has made an alternative? So no it isn't easy to make a video streaming site. Everyone just say "it's too popular" that it has the entire audience but no, there just isn't any good alternative anywhere. People don't get how fast everyone would switch and how little anyone would look back if there was just any good alternative. Make one! Stop saying it's easy and make one! You figure out how to stream consistently and have these response times and these peripheral functions if it's so easy! It's not easy. They obviously have a superior product and is now enshittening it so they can milk money from it

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

but no one has made an alternative? So no it isn’t easy to make a video streaming site.

This and all your further smartassery would be funny if the Web weren't full of alternatives which technically work just as good or just as bad, just don't have the network effect.

Make one! Stop saying it’s easy and make one! You figure out how to stream consistently and have these response times and these peripheral functions if it’s so easy!

I don't think somebody saying that something is not needed should provide an implementation to support their words.

Also I think something like Lemmy + BitTorrent support in browsers would solve the problem. It's actually funny that you still can't just use HTML5 video tag with a magnet link.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 7 months ago

No they all suck

Like a whole fucking lot

And yes a torrent protocol for streaming media is a great idea but how. How do you seed so fast during watch, how does this not suck so much more than having local servers have your most likely to watch videos cached and ready like they do? It's a very hard problem to make a product that can offer what they offer. And they abuse that fact

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What are you even talking about?

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'll need more specific questions.

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

All of it. Those word were English, but put together in no way that made actual sense.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago

Well, first, judging by the amount of likes\dislikes, it may have made sense for some of the people who read it. So maybe you should ask yourself whether you not understanding something is closer to being your problem or my problem.

It seems clear they don’t want us using their site with videos.

Google makes it unpleasant using YT for a part of its users. It's clear they don't want that part (us).

I think publishing video files on the Web is not some unique know-how.

Serving files over HTTP is not something only Google can do.

By the way, neither is search, neither are ratings.

I think you understood this sentence.

And “being in the same space” with the rest of the world is an illusion due to the way recommendations work there. I mean, it’s sufficient to look at the views counter under a video and combine it with some other numbers to realize this.

This is in response to some unsaid thing like "but everyone uses YT" with the implication that on big platforms people are all in the same space. In fact you'll never "meet" some people there simply because of how recommendations work.

Freedom is so close. It’s not in defeating the network effect, it’s in realizing that it’s fucking useless in anything but scaring us away from leaving trap spaces.

I think this is easier to understand now.