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AI Has Lost Its Magic (www.theatlantic.com)

submitted 7 months ago by boem@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You are pulling a no true Scotsman fallacy here. AI has always been a somewhat vague term, and it's explicitly a buzzword in today's systems.

This AI front has also been taking the current form for more than a decade, but it wasn't a public topic until now, because it was terrible up until now.

The relevant things is that AI is automating a normally human-centric practice via extensive training on a data model. All systems I've mentioned utilize that machine learning practice at some point in their process.

The statement about the deepfakes is just patently incorrect on your part. It is a trained model which takes an input, and outputs a manipulated output based on its training. That's enough to meet the criteria. Before it was fairly difficult and almost immediately identifiable as AI manipulated. It's now popular because it's gotten good enough to not be immediately noticeable, done fairly easily, and is at the point where it can be mostly automated.

[–] RidcullyTheBrown@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The statement about the deepfakes is just patently incorrect on your part. It is a trained model which takes an input, and outputs a manipulated output based on its training. That’s enough to meet the criteria. Before it was fairly difficult and almost immediately identifiable as AI manipulated. It’s now popular because it’s gotten good enough to not be immediately noticeable, done fairly easily, and is at the point where it can be mostly automated.

I never claimed that the current software didn’t use machine learning. I simply said that faking video/images has been happening long before machine learning was involved in it and I completely disagree that it is harder to identify fakes now than it used to be. Maybe it wasn’t a technology that was easily available, but image manipulation is something we have been seeing for a long time. If anything, the fact that it is know public knowledge that image, voice and movie clips can be faked will help people to stop trusting them when they shouldn’t

[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I never claimed that the current software didn’t use machine learning

This is not AI.

This is your straight statement, and your only argument was saying it was done before AI was used in it. That's a poor argument. That's like arguing that self driving isn't AI because remote control car piloting existed.

Automated image manipulation vs having 100s of hours in Photoshop. That's AI vs what came before. Inputting a source file and getting a manipulated file after some amount of time, vs hours of meticulous work trying to get minor details right.

If we want to compare oldschool manipulation vs AI Manipulation, then yes, fakes now are on par with the insane skill of some image doctoring artists - you're just looking for different things - but it's at an exponentially lower cost than hiring a professional. Compare AI to itself, though? It's night and day. Early AI manipulation was atrocious. And modern AI manipulation is only going to get better. That is all due to breakthroughs in AI. imagine what the hell will happen when Sora becomes usable by anyone.

Machine learning has taken an originally hard thing to do and made it cheap and easy. Now, any schmuck can pump out doctored footage in an afternoon. That's why the AI porn is big- you can pay dirt cheap and give the model photos of any random woman and it'll make porn of them - and that fact has turned it into a much more viable business model than before, that's currently creating massive amounts of non consensual porn fakes- exponentially more than before.

[–] RidcullyTheBrown@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

This is not AI.

I think I explained in the rest of the paragraph what I meant by that. What’s the point of replying to someone while truncating their message? I know what I said and why.

That’s why the AI porn is big- you can pay dirt cheap and give the model photos of any random woman and it’ll make porn of them - and that fact has turned it into a much more viable business model than before, that’s currently creating massive amounts of non consensual porn fakes- exponentially more than before.

Sure, but I don’t see how this is a problem except maybe for the workers of the porn industry? And in general, with generated content (text or anything else) the major concern seems to be quantity. Exponential growth of content means nothing. The consumer cannot grow the consumption exponentially so this will just end up using storage space