this post was submitted on 12 Apr 2024
1000 points (98.4% liked)

Technology

59605 readers
3438 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Like, yes I'm well aware that I remain biologically male despite transitioning

If you take hrt ypur body is estrogen dominated, just like "biological" women's. So where is the difference. Not antagonizing, genuinely curious what you think.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

There are many changes HRT doesn't make. Chromosomes, gametes, bone structure, etc. Hormones are a small part of a complicated picture. Like I said, and the other commenter elaborated on, sex is not exactly a straightforward thing to define or to say "you are this or that"... But there are features that I have which relate to what we consider a sex, and they won't change.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I thought about those features too. Chromosomes are an indicator of sex at best, definitely not a sure sign. Gamete producing tissue can be removed, yet the now gamete-less body would still be, e.g. biologically female, right?

Even bone structure can be changed with FFS and not all afabs have the same bone structure anyways.

The more I think about it, the more I think that "biological sex" is just a red herring.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I really appreciate this like of argument, and I don't exactly diaagree, but at the same time I think you are falling into the same trap as the "simple biology" anti-trans crowd do, and looking for any one thing that defines sex. Sex is a complex collection of features which tend to co-occur. Your primary and secondary sex characteristics are all a part of what defines your sex. I'm not an expert here - the things I've listed are fairly basic in terms of what can/can't be changed.

But there are many aspects that won't change with transition - there is no treatment that will magically make me a cis woman, I will always be trans. I will always need to make new doctors aware that I am - because there are factors affecting some medications that mean I should be prescribed as a male for example.

I think the important thing for us trans people is not to focus too much on the biology. The important part imo is that it shouldn't matter what your biology is - your gender identity is what makes you a man/woman. I'm wary of brain structure/chemistry "justifications" of trans identities for similar reasons. I'm sure there is truth there, don't get me wrong! But I worry about over-medicalising trans identities in general, or even a diagnostic criteria which not all trans people meet...