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Not to come off as agreeing with the post, but I believe, from seeing other stuff, that "society isn't natural" is short-hand for saying that humans evolved to exist in small groups of dozens of people who have to deal with, maybe, several dozen other similar groups of people. Thus it is not in our evolved nature to exist in the massive society of today.
Good point. Natural aint exactly biological but it's closer and raise an important problem.
We did evolve into bigger society. That's natural too, resources and services are easier to get with the more people.
On many levels our biology didn't follow how quickly we invented new way to survive.
The point isn't to discard society as unnatural of course, but you're right to acknowledge the problem of our biology. We do need to reconcile the two.
The internet is a prime example of that, intercommunication brought a lot of fracturing of ideologies into smaller groups for example, and a lot of conflict.
I believe in that regard federated Lemmy might be a step on the right direction for social medias.
The way I've always seen it is that "mother nature" has always existed as a metaphysical force that pushes life in certain directions. Humans are just mother nature manifested in conscious form - that is, assuming you believe consciousness and free will to truly exist and not just be an illusion. But the driving force is still "mother nature" just in a different form.
That's reasonable, personally i call upon biology rather than metaphysics. But i believe it directly support your idea.
I think what makes us sometimes too arrogant, morally, is to put to high of a regard for this ideas of consciousness and free will. To the point we stop seeing it as drived by mother nature, as if it was above her.
To be more accurate it's probably more about intelligence, or levels of consciousness. (Because other animals have it too...)
Funny enough i think this moral bias also affect people that supports, respect and love animals too.