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[–] credo@lemmy.world 193 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

50,000 cycles

Wow, a lifetime of 137 years at one cycle per day. This could make off-grid systems mainstream.

[–] SOB_Van_Owen@lemm.ee 73 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Long-time offgridder here. Would love to have a reasonable alternative to lead-acid or lithium. Opted for lead-acid again on the last battery swap around 5 years ago. Squeezed about 12 years out of the last set -though they were pretty degraded by that time. This bank is depreciating faster, probably because of increased use.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Lead acid batteries seem to be less and less reliable lately. The warranties are shorter and shorter as well, which is the best supporting evidence I have beyond needing batteries more often for the 4-5 vehicles I maintain.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For real. It will take up a lot more space than lithium, but if it lasts way longer and should end up being cheaper, it would definitely be the winning choice. Solar array on the roof and a huge outdoor battery in a shed against the house and no more electric bill, ever.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Build your walls out of batteries and tile your roof with solar panels

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 37 points 6 months ago

Make firefighter's jobs a lot easier. Hell you don't even need a firetruck to tell the people outside "Yeah, it's fucked, nobody's coming out of there"

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Sounds like a fire hazard.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Batteries degrade with age too. It would probably have to be cycled 10 times a day to get that many cycles.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I could see that happening if these are used in gas hybrid cars, or ev taxis, or maybe grid scale energy buffering

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

They may work for non plug in hybrids, which have quite small batteries that cycle a lot, but the energy density is far too low for full EV vehicles.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not likely, these are big and heavy and will likely be industrial.

[–] htrayl@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

... Sodium Ion are already being sold in EVs.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 6 months ago

I had thought this maker had lower energy to weight density than the JAC, but I stand corrected.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

The shitty thing right now is grid connection is required by pretty much any building code, and the utilities are getting wise to solar. They're moving a lot of the fees from power use to connection and line maintenance. My family was looking at solar, but since 2/3 of their power bill is just to be connected to the grid it wouldn't save enough to make economic sense.