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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Question is what is the population density where you live?

If it's over 1,500 people a square mile, I get it. Cars suck and they screw things up for you while making relatively little sense. Any mass transit can be reasonably highly utilized with that volume of people. Meanwhile out-of-towners with their cars really screw with your day to day life.

But for places that are, say, 200 people a square mile, cars are about the only way things can work. So hardcore "we shouldn't have cars" rhetoric is going to alienate a whole bunch of people, for good reason.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The vast majority of people who are anti car are anti car centric urban environments. Noboby is expecting a small town of 300 people to build a tram, we are expecting places with congested highways to build transit instead of "adding one more lane to solve traffic forever"

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Interestingly, I lived in a small town of 3,000 people and up until the 1950s it had a trolley to the nearest small city, which then had trains that took you to the big city, and from there you could go anywhere.

But now the trolley sits in the town square as a monument, mocking everyone as they drive by.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sure, and I can believe it, but the rhetoric is not so well targeted or scoped.

"we move away from car-[dependence], though."

Is not going to be seen with the implied nuance by a large chunk of potential audience, and as stated may create opponents out of folks that really wouldn't care at all either way.

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

as stated may create opponents out of folks that really wouldn’t care at all either way.

We shouldn't change our statement if they wouldn't care at all either way.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

They wouldn't care if they knew you only were talking about cities they don't go to.

But they do care and fight you because they think you mean their life. This means they vote against your interests because they think their interests are threatened, even if they aren't.