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We're against tankies, pay attention dude
What separates a Marxist from a tankie? Are Anarchists tankies?
There are no .world communities for Communism, Socialism, or Marxism, so all of the Marxists who wish to contribute must do it on instances like Lemmy.ml, Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, or dbzer0. Lemmy.world deliberately blocking their users from contributing or even seeing Hexbear or Lemmygrad, and possibly soon even Lemmy.ml, is censorship of Marxists from its own users.
Or is there a secret commie gathering in .world I don't know about?
Authoritarianism
What Marxists get the pass, and which don't?
There are no .world communities for Communism, Socialism, or Marxism, so all of the Marxists who wish to contribute must do it on instances like Lemmy.ml, Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, or dbzer0. Lemmy.world deliberately blocking their users from contributing or even seeing Hexbear or Lemmygrad, and possibly soon even Lemmy.ml, is censorship of Marxists from its own users.
Return2ozma got banned on Lemmy.world for criticizing Biden.
Or is there a secret commie gathering in .world I don't know about?
Non-authoritarians and authoritarians respectively. It's not that complicated.
Did you seriously not even look? Or do you not understand how the fediverse works
Doubt.
What's the metric to determine between authoritarian and non-authoritarian? Marx and Engels both considered themselves Authoritarian.
1 community with 1 post? Certainly seems like a community welcoming to Marxists! Show me a Marxist community on Lemmy.world that actually has participants, lol.
My point is that the biggest and most active communities are on instances either blocked by .world or are threatened to be.
You can see why Return2Ozma was banned, your admin admitted to it.
You're goofy.
How about "advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom"?
Accessed via .world, moderated by a .world user. I also moderate an openly pro-communist community from .world, !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone.
You don't understand how Lemmy works.
He was banned from c/politics, not from .world. The c/politics rules aren't .world rules. He made a post from .world literally a few hours ago.
(I don't agree with the ban either, btw)
Cool, then Hexbear and Lemmygrad aren't tankies by your definition. Go over and ask them about that. Oh wait, you can't.
Communism is a lemmy.ml community, which is my point. Lemmy.world does not host any communist communities despite being the largest instance, and it seems like they may defed from .ml soon, leaving .world with nothing. I'm not sure if you are intentionally not seeing my point, or if you genuinely don't get it.
196 is an Anarchist community, not a Marxist one. Supporting Marxism can get you banned there.
I didn't say Ozma was banned from the entirety of .world, just that posting anti-Biden articles will catch you a ban on .world, further proving their general anti-Marxist stance.
To be fair I didn't see anything all that bad when I skimmed Hexbear but clearly Lemmygrad has no shortage of CCP and Stalin apologists.
Either way, I don't know why you're whining at me about a decision I didn't make or agree to, and has nothing to do with why I don't approve of tankie rhetoric.
Which is accessible by .world users, so why would we need a new one that isn't as active? Lemm.ee doesn't have an ALTA community, do you think they all hate ALTA?
We're a leftist community. I've never seen someone get banned for supporting Marxism, and I'd invite you to post to your heart's content but the crux of your issue seems to be that we have very different definitions of authoritarianism/tankie posting.
Lemmygrad has a fairly standard Marxist stance. What do you count as "apoligism?"
Lemmy.ml hasn't defederated from ATLA communities. Lemmy.world having no Marxist communities and showing signs of defederating from Lemmy.ml sends a pretty clear anti-Marxist stance, especially when they defederated from Marxist instances already.
196 does not advertise itself as anti-Marxist, but very quickly Marxists get branded "tankies" and get banned. It's easy to pretend to support Marxists and allow Marxists but then brand them tankies if they take standard Marxist stances. That's why it's better to just call 196 an Anarchist instance, if Marx himself would be considered a Tankie.
CCP/Stalin apologists, people who defend the CPP/Stalin.
Still has nothing to do with my disapproval of tankie rhetoric. Personally I think everyone should be given a chance to have a civil discussion even if I disagree, but defederation isn't my decision.
I've never seen a shred of evidence for this, and I can see the modlog. I'm open to checking it out and advocating change if you actually have something to support this, but frankly, you running defense for Lemmygrad doesn't exactly lend you any credibility.
If you post Marxist/communist/socialist stuff without a hint of tankie shit or authoritarian apologetics and it gets you banned, you have it here on record that I'll personally defend you and advocate for change in the community.
What counts as defending? Like, if I say I think it's cool that China has high speed rail, am I a tankie? That's why I am asking.
As for 196, I try to avoid discussing anything political there except for the most benign and uncontroversial takes possible, because that's what that community tends to want.
Where do you draw the line between authoritarian and Marxist? What good Marxist movements have existed that don't count as authoritarian to you? This all seems vibes-based.
You've gotta be being deliberately obtuse.
Everyone does that to different degrees, where is the line? Is it a vibe check?
If you genuinely still don't understand what it means to defend authoritarianism, I can't help you. It doesn't get more specific than what I've already given you.
Otherwise, I'm not going to keep entertaining willful ignorance.