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[Gamers Nexus] "Is AMD (Radeon) Actually Screwed?" ft. Steve of Hardware Unboxed (www.youtube.com)

submitted 5 months ago by recursive_recursion@programming.dev to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] recursive_recursion@programming.dev 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

With the 7900 XTX currently being around

$900 USD and
$1300 CAD...

at what price point do you think AMD will release their next gen flagship?

[–] darcmage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

We'll have to wait ~ 2 years since the next round of AMD cards are rumoured to be midrange cards. The Steves are right that if A.I is still as profitable for both AMD and Nvidia by then, expect prices to go up for any flagship. It wouldn't make any business sense not to.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[–] recursive_recursion@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The Steves are right that if A.I is still as profitable for both AMD and Nvidia by then, expect prices to go up for any flagship. It wouldn't make any business sense not to.

you have a good point

although I have to wonder if we'll have to wait 2 years:

if the next gpus are midrange and NVIDIA happens to launch their next flagship sooner than AMD, then AMD's confirming to take a loss in marketshare which would be pretty bad as they're currently being cornered/squeezed on both sides
Intel's launching their next gpus pretty soon and their performance gains from improved drivers has been pretty surprising/honestly pretty impressive as I personally didn't expect much from them on the gpu front

currently for:

budget gpus Intel seems like a good option
flagship gpus (power efficiency be dammed), NVIDIA is a no brainer
best Linux support (currently) AMD gpus are the go to

however for the vast majority of users, people will look for gpus with Windows in mind so in reality it might be just Intel and NVIDIA oddly enough

Intel's providing great budget friendly cards
NVIDIA's serving cash whales

[–] vikingtons@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

A third player is absolutely welcome to the game but their share is for now still small on Windows.

The Arc Alchemist dGPU bringup has shown the world just how difficult graphics driver software is. They've made excellent progress lately in key areas (on both Windows and Linux) but there are are still many odd gaps to fill.

Battlemage mobile looks pretty exciting, mind you.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I hope Intel keeps invested in this because we really need more competition. If they can push for the upper midrange too then that'd be a huge improvement already.

[–] vikingtons@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

This may take time but Intel have extremely deep pockets, they understand the value of presence in this market, I'm sure they can and will stick to it.

[–] recursive_recursion@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

A third player is absolutely welcome to the game

definitely agreed as more competition drives better products for lower prices to consumers✨

just wondering but do you happen to know if Intel's gpus are good for all Linux distros?

last I heard was that they're primarily supporting Ubuntu (I could be wrong about this)

[–] vikingtons@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Like AMD, they use a kernel module and their user space drivers are in Mesa. If anything, you may have a better OOTB experience with Intel graphics on distros that have more recent packages, like Fedora.

[–] recursive_recursion@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

on distros that have more recent packages, like Fedora.

ah you're right!

😳I asked a stupid question as I should've checked the Tech Compendium (ArchLinux Wiki) before asking😅

thanks! +1

[–] vikingtons@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

There's no stupid questions here - there's absolutely nothing intuitive about computer ecosystems 😅

[–] yonder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do keep in mind though that some extra packages are needed to use oneapi for things like blender or Stable Diffusion. Other than that arc works great for gaming and recording using OBS out of the box for me on Fedora.

[–] vikingtons@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Good to know, though same could be said for ROCm + HIP for AMD. Gets a bit weird as you generally want that for OCL support too.

[–] darcmage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately I don't think AMD (& Nvidia) care about GPU gaming market share when they'll be selling all the MI accelerators they can make using the same wafers at much higher profit margins.

As consumers, we're going to have to get used to getting mediocre offerings at inflated prices until the AI hype dies down or they find a way to use some of the other manufacturing nodes to make competitive GPUs.

I like what the Arc division has been doing lately, especially with Linux support. I am looking forward to what battlemage can bring to the table.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

Didn't we just get over the coin mining hype? I'm not too confident there won't be another big thing to keep this going...