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Pika Labs new generative AI video tool unveiled — and it looks like a big deal
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I quite like AI art.
It's capable of generating things that we've not seen before because as hard as we try what we create always has a human filter on it.
If people don't like it it won't catch on anyway.
Have you ASKED artists to draw these things they're supposedly incapable of?
Ah yes, because the favorite part of the process for every artist is the hours spent going back and forth with their client touching up the most minor details instead of creating art they actually want to make..
Idk, I feel AI art only affects commercial artists who first and foremost care about making money off their art form. The ones that actually make art for the love of the craft (without expectation of getting anything in return) aren't really affected in any way.
TL;DR Let UBI free artists from the capitalistic yoke and let the oligarchs use AI to automate the soulless part of art creation that nobody enjoys anyways.
In what world is it a bad thing for someone to get paid for their skills? That's a bizarre spin to put on it.
And yes, UBI should definitely happen, but we shouldn't start painting the world with crap to do it.
It's fine to get paid for your skills, but from experience I can say that developing skills just to get paid is also rather soulless.
Since, sure, I can bet there're furry artists that love drawing sexy tigers to bits, but I can guarantee there's a not-so-small percentage that would much rather draw something else, but the yiffing money is too good to pass up on.
Being paid for your skills is service, not art. It can be art when your audience's money isn't the director.
Yeah, service isn't art. If you're making "art" for someone else's money, you're performing a service. You're not an artist. Remember when YouTube was mostly just people getting their ideas out and going viral was because something was awesome instead of being designed to spread? Now it's every kid and their grandma trying to be an influencer so they can have fun with other people's money for a living.
When what you're doing isn't for the clients' money, it can be art. There's no constraint this way.
Exactly, personalised art should only be for those who can afford to pay for it. Expanding that privilege to more people is very bad.
It’s literally a luxury, and trying to yank the rug out from under the artists who actually made the art the plagiarism machine runs on isn’t going to change that. You don’t need personalized art, and if you REALLY REALLY want personalized art super bad then that just underlines the value that artists give to society.
It’s literally a luxury to have your own copy of a book, and trying to yank the rug out from under the scribes who actually made the books the plagiarism press runs on isn’t going to change that. You don’t need your own book and if you REALLY REALLY want one super bad then that just underlines the value that scribes give to society.
Modern society was partly possible due to the printing press. Yep, it sucks that people had their jobs replaced and if it were happening now I'd be fighting for them to be looked after, as they should.
Generating art is not some amazing world changing technology, it's trash. We do not need to replace artists, and frankly we just fucking shouldn't.
If it's so trash it won't replace them right? So there's no issue.
Plus these neural networks could be the stepping stones to a truly transformative technology and in 100 years someone will be saying exactly what you said about the printing press.
Hate for AI is a meme at this point.
Tell that to Disney, for example. It wouldn't replace artists in a world that cared about artistic quality... we don't live in that world.
For capitalists, easily generated shit is good enough.
That's down to the audience. If people won't accept it then it won't be done. If people do then why wouldn't they.
Any artist who stops being an artist because someone else can put words into a computer and get a big tiddy goth gf pic out, wasn't really that interested in making art in the first place.
My guy, they stop being an artist because someone stole all their work and fired them for it
My dude, my grandfather got fired after the collapse of the soviet economy because "artist" wasn't a productive enough job to be kept around, but he still made art for 20 years after without getting paid because his purpose in life was to create art, not to sell it.
And sure the theft argument would be valid, but that's a strawman, because Adobe have already trained their own image gen model on fully licensed images and real life artists are already paying money to use it, so they must see the value in it.
You just described the problem back to me, artists should get paid for creating, I don't think being paid for something you love takes away from it, but that's an opinion and I understand people have their own. I think that's just an extension of the beauty of art (having our own opinions about it). Profit motives are the exact problem here, not a justification to make it worse.
If Adobe is doing that, then that's awesome. If they're making tools to replace artists, instead of tools to help them, significantly less awesome.
My problem is that lots of tools do exist that replace artists, and most do steal their training data. I would love for these things to change, maybe we'll make it out okay, but we need to make noise.
If I can’t have the plagiarism machine spit out 100 pics of my big tiddy anime gf kissing me that’s just like children not having access to books. Won’t someone think of how every generation before this lived under the oppression of artists who wouldn’t work for free? 😭
It’s also a crime to reprint anything without the original author or artist’s permission so you might not like where your analogy leads lmao.
As a human I can't imagine them so how would I.
Also money
I do not like theft laundering machines.
I like people.
AI actually has good uses when embedded within technology, a great example being natural language processing, it's capable of so much good especially for the disabled. But so much effort is being focused on creating junk, using stolen data. People are not being paid for their work which is then being used to replace their jobs.
You should read this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF. The EFF is a digital rights group that recently won a historic case: border guards now need a warrant to search your phone.
Do you think the software engineers who are developing the AI models (which have been trained on freely given away code) are just stupid and are willingly creating a machine that will take away their jobs because they don't understand the impacts? Or could it be that they do understand the stakes, but continue on despite that because of (as you mention) the unfathomable good the technology can bring? I would hope most people would be willing to sacrifice their wellbeing now for the betterment of everyone else in the future.
If you're still understandably worried tho - just start a garden and begin building tightly knit communities now, since you never know when a solar flare will wipe all our technological progress away...
Do you understand that there's a choice about what purpose to make these for?
That yeah, you can just ignore all the harm you'll do? That people do just ignore all the harm they are doing?
No, I'm not one to call people stupid. I'm calling people and corporations greedy, there's an insanely long history of that and I'm sick of it ruining this world.
People do choose to make good AI, ones that will and currently are benefiting people. This is not one of them, I'm not calling all AI bad, I'm calling theft and soulless art generation bad.
What if a solar flare hits? What if the world was made of pudding?
You can say that about all software.
As a programmer my job is to automate tasks and make people obsolete.
You have to make your peace with it.
Should we ban excel and calculators and make everyone do calculations by hand? It would create a lot jobs Hehe
Also the solar flare thing is a very real thing that could happen. Not a random hypothetical like the pudding.
Hello, we have the same job.
It is not something to be proud of, but it is a part of progress and it is vaguely justifiable if it actually has a worthwhile purpose. We should also be helping the people whose jobs we replace, but we don't. I joined a union to try and help those people, to secure their jobs and to get them the pay they deserve.
AI art is not a worthwhile thing to create. Stealing from people is bad. These are my points.
A solar flare is entirely unrelated to anything I'm talking about, hence the pudding.
It's really not up to us to help people. That's why we have governments. Of course we should if we can.
If your job can be easily automated then you are wasting your life anyway.
The technology behind it is incredibly powerful and these tools are funding research.
Is it our responsibility to help people? I think it is if we're helping to hurt them. While we can technically throw the blame up the corporate chain, I think we need to have personal responsibility for our actions, I understand that you, as I do, likely rely on your job to exist, but we can still push for the least harm possible.
If you advocate up said chain on behalf of others, then that is good too.
I'm aware of what this technology can do, I actively use some to help with my work. But I make sure it's as ethical as it can be.
And AI art is not really all that useful. Just because you can automate art doesn't mean it's a waste. I think that's a dreadfully bleak view.
Helping funding research is great and all, but maybe they should pay all the people they're stealing from? Or at the very least get consent.
I was talking about automating jobs in general there. AI will never replace art completely. Only really digital artists if it does.
It depends how you view it. You could chose to view it as saving someone from a pointless job. If I can write an application to do it then they are literally wasting their lives doing that task.
Is keeping someone in a bullshit job helping them?
It not up to me to create jobs. I'd start a business if I wanted to do that. The task of keeping people in employment as technology progresses is way above my paygrade and not something I know anything about.
Ah I understand.
I'm not talking about that either, and I'm not against automating jobs. I'm more talking about preventing unecessary harm, I don't really want to say who I work for but our company will shutdown entire storefronts and just lie about why. The union works to ensure this sort of thing doesn't happen unfairly, and that people have access to the legal support they need when it does, among other things.
The reality is that they aren't working bullshit jobs, and we don't automate everything they do. Even the things we do automate require their constant help to support, but the business doesn't care and will just fire them because they see some vague report suggesting they can.
Creating jobs is much harder, of course, but there are things we can and should do to make sure transitioning people out of those jobs is as painless as possible. I'm honestly of the opinion that we shouldn't have to have jobs to survive, and that pushing for good social support is a necessary part of increasing automation.
As a loosely related aside, even though my job doesn't qualify for being bullshit, I definitely feel like I'm wasting my life doing it, but I have no other choice except dying.
I get what you mean. That's totally fair enough.
I'm lucky enough to work for a mid sized family business. So good wages without the corporate bullshit.
I actually left a higher paying corporate job for better work/life balance and I am a lot happier.
I get that not everyone is in a position to do that.