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[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

that bar is so low it might actually be possible.
Still a garbage conservative, but amongst other garbage conservatives.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Even then, that needs to be compared to Presidents like FDR.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It also depends on if you mean progressive relative to the times vs progressive on a direct platform comparison.

Even the most progressive historical presidents were disgustingly conservative compared to today, in many aspects.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's usually more sensible to analyze historical context, as everything is a product of its time and conditions.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe for academic purposes.
But from a more "absolute" perspective, it still means he'd be making progress, just not as much as we'd like (although personally I'm not convinced of that).

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What is "progress?" I wouldn't consider Biden to be making progress if the overall trend is still negative, and the root cause isn't being addressed. To be somewhat fair, I don't believe the Democrats can do what needs to be done while maintaining their position, similar to what is happening to the Labor Party in the UK from its conception to now.

Historical progress is relevant because it is a good indicator of what people were fighting for and against. The French Revolution was progressive against the Monarchy, even if the resulting French society would not be considered progressive today.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

I agree with you, but I'm not sure that's a reflection of what people mean when they're supporting Biden.