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Your chart is stored on windows computers. The drug dispensing systems run on windows computers. Imaging (xray, ultrasound, CT, MRI) runs on windows machines. If a hospital used crowd strike, all of those go down. Source: i work at a major trauma center that was affected and took several hours to respond. OR, ER and ICU were completely frozen for several hours before they could pivot to paper charting. There aren't paper backups of every chart so orders that weren't already under way were also almost always delayed pending a verbal order from the physician.
If they aren’t printing paper already pretty sure they are being negligent of the current legislation. They have to be be able to work through minimal power, infrastructure and services already, and they have to be ready for a cyber or terrorist attack.
Sounds like your unit, if you eve work for one, is negligent in its operation.
Nope, wife works at a hospital and they don't have a paper backup of everything. They were affected by the outage and it was apparently a pretty tough night.
They can still work, but there obviously will be a serious delay switching to paper everything. You might want to look into the legislation that you're thinking of to see what it specifically says.
And I'm pretty sure there are ways to prevent what happened that have nothing to do with having medical professionals chart everything on both a computer and on paper. That just sounds really inefficient.
Especially for an event that might happen at most once a decade.
It's not like it happens every other month.
Why add the "if you even work for one" part? You think this person just made that up to comment here? People do things. People who do things are online. People who are online can comment. You're giving serious old "r/nothingeverhappens" vibes.
Because they are lying about people dying when there’s been no reported incidences.
It also doesn’t take hours to shift to paper charts, that’s only if you’re negligent, or lacked proper training. Both aren’t because of a computer malfunction, that’s a failure of your procedures and operations.
So yeah, even if the system went down, they failed to have the right backups or training. If anyone died, that’s on them, not their system. So if they claim they work for a hospital, but can’t even comprehend this? Than they’re either wholefully not equipped to work for a hospital, or they are lying.
Can’t people be called out on their clear and obvious bullshit? If people don’t, these comments will be left and up and thought to be true, when they aren’t. And people like you making these comments help perpetuate the bullshit.
So thanks for doing your part perpetuating misinformation I guess…?
I'm not going to address your whole comment, but as far as I know there's no proof of your very first sentence.
Can you tell me about your experience switching to paper charts in a hospital when the computer system goes down?
The hospital I worked for had workstations with localized backups of the medical record system that they would use in the event of an outage. They could print from them but it wasn't like they were printing out every single thing ahead of time. They could run on generator power and still access records without network access but if those PCs had been taken down by this issue I could see that turning into a big problem. I talked to someone that's still there and he said they didn't have many issues due to crowdstrike though.
Do you actually work for a hospital? None of the clinics I've done IT for have ever done full paper charts. In fact, that vast majority of them actively pushed to do everything digitally to save paper (and were in process of converting paper to digital charts and archiving all paper charts).
Just about every one uses something like Epic to do all charting. The closest I've found are for exams and specialist appointments where they have to do a lot of writing or drawing on silhouette to not physical issues.