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Walmart and Unity To Bring Immersive Commerce to Games, Virtual Worlds and Apps (corporate.walmart.com)
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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Like charging real money to flip a bit

If the customer knows that's what they're paying for, there's no fraud.

You are paying money to play the game less.

That's a scam.

No it's not. The player gets exactly what was advertised, so it's not a scam. There's no fraud there.

Legislation is the only thing that could possibly help.

That may be true, but I firmly believe it's immoral to restrict a consenting adult's choices just because you don't agree with them and think you know better (you probably do, but that's beside the point).

Not all problems need solutions. If an alcoholic wants to destroy their life with alcohol, that should be their right. However, I think society should provide tools to help that alcoholic recover once they decide to fix their life (free rehab funded with taxes on alcohol, for example). That obviously won't help all alcoholics, but it provides options to help people fix their lives.

The same should apply here. Tax MTX and use it to fund game addiction rehab. But don't ban the MTX.

In other words, the ends do not justify the means. An immoral law is immoral even if it was created to help people, and restricting choice and limiting self-determination are immoral.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

jUsT bEcAuSe YoU diSaGrEe yeah fuck all the other words I keep saying. And some of the words you keep saying.

You know this is rife with exploitation. You refuse to acknowledge the exploitation is all there is.

Charging money per-goal in soccer is fraud, even if you "get" the goal, for the money. The game, the stadium, the sport, exist solely as a dark vortex toward that decision. Your consent was manufactured because the entire thing is manufactured.

This business model is intolerable. There is no ethical form.

Taking back part of the money they ripped off will solve nothing.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

exploitation

Exploitation in general isn't illegal, only certain forms are.

A casino that offers free alcohol and has enticing games isn't illegally exploiting its customers, even if those customers get addicted to the games and their inhibitions are reduced due to the effects of alcohol. However, there are limitations, such as not allowing obviously drunk people to gamble since they're sufficiently impaired so as to not be able to legally consent.

I don't think MTX rise to that standard.

Charging money per-goal in soccer is fraud

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Are you saying viewers are charged per goal scored while they're watching? Is that actually a thing that happens, or even remotely similar? And how is that fraud? Fraud is when you misrepresent something:

intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right

Maybe if the ticket to the game said $50, but in the fine print you need to pay $100/goal and that's not disclosed anywhere prior to purchase.

Or are you saying that P2W is fraud generally? That really depends on how the free or lower cost tier is advertised.

This business model is intolerable.

I agree, which is why I don't engage with it. But something being intolerant or untasteful doesn't mean it should be illegal.

I find gambling to also be intolerable, so I don't gamble. However, I'll be first in line to support making it legal because it's tyrannical to prevent people from consensual gambling.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Or are you saying that P2W is fraud generally?

Yes.

Jesus, why do I bother typing words?

I agree, which is why I don’t engage with it.

That's not what intolerable means! You're fucking tolerating it! You're fucking DEFENDING it!