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Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. For what it's worth, I haven't run into laptop problems like those you described.
You've reminded me that people who declare "linux isn't ready" often make the same mistakes:
Proficiency with any tool takes practice. More so when you don't have an abundance of good mentors and pre-packaged solutions for what you want to do with it. That doesn't make the tool bad. It doesn't mean it lacks usability. It mostly just means that you haven't learned how to use it yet.
Edit: Split the rest into a separate comment, since it wasn't really addressing anyone specific.
Thats ALL PCs.
Alright, fair enough. But then within the linux operating system, it should make those islands official sources for quality information. Make them easier to find.
Nope. (example) (example) (example)
(And if you don't like ready-made PCs, you can always build your own.)
Heh. It would be nice to have such things handed to us on a platter, wouldn't it?
In reality, there is no central organization in a position to speak for the whole linux ecosystem, and a great deal of the work and knowledge comes from unpaid volunteers acting on their own. Standing out from the noise on the internet is harder than you might think.
However, there are companies selling direct support, and communities focused on specific topics, and wikis run by some of the most popular linux distributions, and classes, and books, and various other good information sources.
And, even if you have no money to spend, you will eventually come across some of the community-maintained gems just by regularly dedicating time to learning. Finding good info gets easier with practice.
I’ve run Linux on custom built gaming computers. You still get all the same problems that dude is talking about. And no, forums and wikis are not a replacement for the os just working. A good analogy for Linux that a friend came up with. “Linux is a tank, it can blast through anything, you can do tons with it. But it doesn’t come with a cup holder. You decide to install one. But when you do so the shift lever doesn’t work anymore. So you move the shift knob over, now the AC doesn’t work. You fix that and now the tank won’t turn right, unless the AC is off.” You get the point.
I switched over to Linux because I was tired of fighting Windows to make it behave the way I wanted while struggling to solve obscure issues because of meaningless error messages. I use my Linux machine for gaming/work and everything in between. The only reason I boot into Windows these days is for VSTs and Photoshop.
And I'm not suggesting that Linux just works and never has any issues, but it's ludicrous to suggest that Linux doesn't work in a way that Windows just does. If Windows just worked I wouldn't have to fix stupid issues for my family and friends all the fucking time.
Actually, I don't.
Nobody suggested that.
I get what you're trying to express, but I also have more than a little experience to the contrary. I'm almost curious what you and your friend did that led to things breaking as you described, but it's not important here. Obviously, your mileage may vary, as with any operating system.
In any case, some people would rather learn new things than keep suffering Microsoft's ads, spyware, and bloat. You don't have to be one of them.
You literally said that.
I use Linux all the time. I have an unraid server in my basement with about 50 docker containers. I run Debian to run a lemmy instance. I use windows for gaming, and I use Mac for software dev. Linux works fantastic for servers. As a desktop os it’s shit.
As for “what we did that led to Linux breaking”, that’s just a hilarious question. Go to your Linux wikis and forums and read there. It will literally just break plugging in the wrong device. This isn’t a “my friend and I”. This is every software dev I’ve ever talked to that has used Linux, including ones that currently use it.
Your last comment there is the exact point I’m trying to make. If you have to learn anything in order to literally make the OS function (e.g. even set up a monitor) then Linux will never go mainstream. That’s just a fact.
I wrote several paragraphs in a conversation spanning multiple comments, and you picked out a tiny fragment of one sentence, stripped it of context, and somehow reinterpreted it into a suggestion that forums and wikis are a replacement for an OS "just working". That's your straw man, not mine.
Bye bye.