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[–] crashfrog@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I bid that non autistic people be named and categorized in a way that highlights their subtly hostile, backstabbing, cruel nature

Are you sure you’re “autistic”? Are you sure you’re not just a fucking asshole?

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

In exaggerating a little, but to me it's pretty fucking clear you have some issues of your own. Not exclusively, but definitely as common tendencies.

I don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes, but the less distinct pathologies of the common clay are certainly also much less explored. The plains lying between the tallest peaks and deepest, darkest caves, left comparably undisturbed. The resting place of the explorers, disinterested in undermining their own camp.

There are variations of normal, some whose defined traits might be even less charitable that those described in the definition of the prototypical autist.

[–] ToyDork@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm angry and even violently so, but not out of a hatred of a group. I think OP's boss is an asshole, and I think Israel are not the good guys right now, but I also think antisemitism is no better and I don't want anyone innocent, like children, getting caught in the crossfire like they were during the Holocaust and like they are being today in Gaza.

[–] crashfrog@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't want anyone innocent, like children, getting caught in the crossfire like they were during the Holocaust

…what?

Sorry, can you explain how you think children died in the Holocaust because of crossfire?

[–] ToyDork@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay, that's cherrypicking. I am not saying it was crossfire like any Jews deserved to die, they didn't. I'm saying that anyone calling children "just collateral damage" is evil, because THAT'S what I meant by crossfire, "they are not just collateral damage, you CHOSE not to care that your actions might hurt innocents".

[–] crashfrog@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 months ago

I'm saying that anyone calling children "just collateral damage" is evil

If they are, in fact, collateral casualties to a military action, why is that “evil”?

Doesn’t that depend on whether the military conflict itself is justified? If Ukraine strikes a Russian weapons depo and it unbeknownst to them happens to be Take Your Vatnik to Work day, they’re likely to wipe out at least a couple of families. Is that truly “evil”? Isn’t that just an unfortunate tragedy in an ongoing tragedy called “war”?

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't doubt they're autistic.

I also don't understand why you think they're an asshole. Allistic people often do act like low tier psychopaths: manipulative, selfish, overconfident and hypocritical.

It's just that they do this in ways they don't perceive, such that they don't recognize it until it crosses a more extreme threshold.

Here's a ... perhaps more palatable version of the same idea:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cZiR4o6j4HY&pp=ygUyd2hhdCBhbGxpc3RpYyBwZW9wbGUgc291bmQgbGlrZSB0byBhdXRpc3RpYyBwZW9wbGU%3D

And if you'd like to know more:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ugQEiZG19Rs&pp=ygU_d2hhdCBpZiBhbGxpc3RpYyBwZW9wbGUgd2VyZSBwYXRob2xvZ2l6ZXMgdGhlIHdheSBhdXRpc3RpY3MgYXJl

[–] crashfrog@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Allistic people often do act like low tier psychopaths: manipulative, selfish, overconfident and hypocritical.

All human beings have the capability to act this way, including autistic humans. When you say “well, but these other guys are just like that” that’s when you should suspect you’re being an asshole.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ok so you don't seem to know much about psychology.

Sure, in an extremely broad sense, all humans have the capability to act in any way.

When certain groups of people actually do, repeatedly act in certain ways more often than others do, when its so commonplace to them that other people have to point out that they are behaving that way because they do not even realize it, now you have the beginnings of how to classify people psychologically.

If we all have the theoretical, idealized capacity to violently assault and murder random animals with no provocation or explanation... super. Great.

How about the people that actually do that regularly?

You can't do any kind if psychological screening or differentiation or descriptors whatsoever if your entire theory is 'well technically anybody can do anything, so everyone is the same'.

This is like 11th grade debate club sophistry you're pushing here.

[–] crashfrog@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

When certain groups of people actually do, repeatedly act in certain ways more often than others do

But they don’t, and in any case that’s not “psychology.” That’s just you being a bigoted fucking asshole.

when its so commonplace to them that other people have to point out that they are behaving that way because they do not even realize it

Isn’t that literally the described experience of being autistic? Having your behavior pointed out to you and you didn’t even realize you were doing it? Constantly?

How about the people that actually do that regularly?

Is that something you think is true about neurotypical people? That we’re constantly “assaulting and murdering”?

How is this not you just being a giant gaping asshole? You can wrap it up in therapy terms if you want but surely you have to see how offensive this is?