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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The very existence of society and the fact that we aren't blindly killing eachother for resources proves that civilization is not based on humanities animalistic instincts. Therefore the claim that humans cannot overcome their own base instincts (as claimed by many Liberals) would imply that we are no morally or intellectually superior to animals.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Even animals are not based on such "animalistic instinct", most of animals cooperate on some level.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Indeed, all intelligent creatures are capable of acting beyond what is strictly needed for survival.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Cooperation is needed for survival in many cases, or at least improve the odds.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Exactly lol, look at ants their society is thousands times more organized than our and they don't even have brains. To be fair they only focus on basic needs like food and reproduction we do a lot more things

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

You can see it all play out in a microcosm on reality shows like Survivor. People cooperate and compete. They cooperate TO compete. They cooperate when it benefits them the most, and betray each other when they think they’re most likely to get away with it. Some people are more trustworthy than others. Some are extremely likely to betray, but then they struggle to benefit from cooperation.

Groups of people engaged in a kind of eusocial super cooperation are very rare and tend to be fairly small. They also tend to act the most like a clique; being highly discriminatory against the outgroup.

[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago

My take on this is that the greatness in humanity comes from being a bunch of egoistic assholes capable of doing the right thing and help each other.

A selfless person doing something selfless is normal. A egoist doing something egoistic is normal. An egoist doing something altruistic is what raises us from pure instinct to humanity.