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Modern AI data centers consume enormous amounts of power, and it looks like they will get even more power-hungry in the coming years as companies like Google, Microsoft, Meta, and OpenAI strive towards artificial general intelligence (AGI). Oracle has already outlined plans to use nuclear power plants for its 1-gigawatt datacenters. It looks like Microsoft plans to do the same as it just inked a deal to restart a nuclear power plant to feed its data centers, reports Bloomberg.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (29 children)

I'm sure that everyone will recognize that this was a great idea in a couple of years when generative LLM AI goes the way of the NFT.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (20 children)

Nfts were a scam from the start something that has no actual purpose utility or value being given value through hype.

Generative AI is very different. In my honest opinion you have to have your head in the sand if you don't believe that AI is only going to incrementally improve and expand in capabilities. Just like it has year over year for the last 5 to 10 years. And just like for the last decade it continues to solve more and more real-world problems in increasingly effective manners.

It isn't just constrained to llms either.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (18 children)

The creators who made the LLM boom said they cannot improve it any more with the current technique due to diminishing returns.

It's worthless in its current state.

Should be dying out faster imo.

[–] Enoblk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's one groups opinion, we still see improving LLMs I'm sure they will continue to improve and be adapted for whatever future use we need them. I mean I personally find them great in their current state for what I use them for

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What skin do you have in this game? Leading industry experts, who btw want to SELL IT TO YOU, told you it has hit a ceiling. Why do you refute it so much? Let it die, we will all be better off.

[–] Enoblk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I use them regularly for personal and work projects, they work great at outlining what I need to do in a project as well as identifying oversights in my project. If industry experts are saying this, then why are there still improvements being made, why are they still providing value to people, just because you don't use them doesn't mean they aren't useful.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Maybe you saw the news about a major hit to US Cybersecurity due to morons like you copy-pasting from the GeePeeTee? Or about a wave of falsified research papers generated by AI? Or how a lawyer tried to use an AI assistant resulting in fines and a bar reviewal?

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Even if it didn't improve further there are still uses for LLMs we have today. That's only one kind of AI as well, the kind that makes all the images and videos is completely separate. That has come on a long way too.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I made this chart for you:

------ Expectations for AI

 

 

 

 

 

----- LLM's actual usefulness

----- What I think if it

 

 

----- LLM' usefulness after accounting for costs

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bruh you have no idea about the costs. Doubt you have even tried running AI models on your own hardware. There are literally some models that will run on a decent smartphone. Not every LLM is ChatGPT that's enormous in size and resource consumption, and hidden behind a vail of closed source technology.

Also that trick isn't going to work just looking at a comment. Lemmy compresses whitespace because it uses Markdown. It only shows the extra lines when replying.

Can I ask you something? What did Machine Learning do to you? Did a robot kill your wife?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Earlier this year, the International Energy Agency released its energy usage and forecast and has predicted that the total global electricity consumption of data centers is set to top 1 PWh (petawatt-hour) in 2026. This more than doubles its 2022 value and (as the report states) “is equivalent to the electricity consumption of Japan.” SOURCE

It does fuck all for me except make art and customer service worse on average, but yes it certainly will result in countless avoidable deaths if we don't heavily curb its usage soon as it is projected to Quintuple its power draw by 2029.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I am not talking about things like ChatGPT that rely more on raw compute and scaling than some other approaches and are hosted at massive data centers. I actually find their approach wasteful as well. I am talking about some of the open weights models that use a fraction of the resources for similar quality of output. According to some industry experts that will be the way forward anyway as purely making models bigger has limits and is hella expensive.

Another thing to bear in mind is that training a model is more resource intensive than using it, though that's also been worked on.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You put power in and you get worthless garbage out. Do the world a favor and just mine crypto, try FoldingCoin out.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've seen teachers use this stuff and get actually decent results. I've also seen papers where people use LLMs to hack into a computer, which is a damn sophisticated task. So you are either badly informed or just lying. While LLMs aren't perfect and aren't a replacement for humans, they are still very much useful. To believe otherwise is folly and shows your personal bias.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Anybody who uses a bullshit generator in any step of the education process is unqualified.

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