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What kind of hosting service will allow this? (aussie.zone)
submitted 1 month ago by gazter@aussie.zone to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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Vague title I know, but I'm enough of a beginner at this to not really know what I need to ask!

I would like to rent a server, that allows me to spin up different services, including things like Windows to use as a remote desktop. Ideally, I would then be able to just migrate this whole setup to my home server.

I thought it would be as easy as renting a scalable VPS, but apparently if you run something like Proxmox on those, you'll get terrible performance?

My understanding is that I'd need to rent a bare metal server, but then my 'scalability' will suffer- I can't just wind up and down the specs as needed, correct?

My user case: For the next several months, I'm on the road, without a proper computer. I may have some work doing some CAD drafting, hence Windows. I'd also like to have some containers to run some dev tools, databases, web hosting. I'd also like to use the same service to start building my future home server environment- nextcloud, *arr, etc. Once I'm back home, I'd like to easily migrate this setup to a local machine, then continue to use the server as my own cloud and public entry point. And further down the line, hosting a gaming server for friends. In terms of location, Sydney would be great.

Will a VPS do this? Or do I need bare metal? Is there a single service that will allow me to do both, with one billing? Or am I doing a Dunning-Kruger?

Thanks in advance for your hints.

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[–] gazter@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks. As bare metal is quite a bit more expensive, what would I lose by going to a VPS? I'm assuming Proxmox and Windows, assuming I wanted to go with a Linux VPS. Would there be issues with running Docker containers with the VPS?

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

With a vps expect to lose all virtualization

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's already all virtualized, so from customer perspective, advantages of virtualization aren't there (single box, maximizing use of local resources, etc).

Wouldn't you be able to do containers in a Linux VPS though? To the host, it's just a virtualized Linux, from Linux' perspective, those containers are local resources.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Docker Desktop for Linux runs a Virtual Machine (VM).

Looks like you'd still need virtualization.

[–] maxwellfire@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Docker desktop is not what most people on Linux are using. They're using docker engine directly, which doesn't run in a vm, and doesn't require virtualization if you use the same kernel inside the containers.

[–] gazter@aussie.zone 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Is Docker considered virtualisation?

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Docker requires hardware virtualization so kinda but not really. Apparently it runs inside of a VM so that's a no go.

Honestly I think you're asking way too much for a VPS, or even a full blown server. If you want to run CAD software you'll also want a remotely capable GPU and you won't get that in a server unless you've explicitly put something in it. The built in GPUs in servers are like radeon 3450s that are 15 years old and are basically just video adapters and not actual "graphics processing units". If you have your own server I'd throw a GPU in there and try running your software there. But honestly any remotely modern laptop will probably run faster than a cheap rented server.

[–] Itwasthegoat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

No docker is not virtualisation, the poster below is talking about docker for desktop which is a nice gui wrapper around it in a VM, but by definition docke itself does not use any form of virtualisation. If you had a modern Linux server you can install any of the container runtimes, e.g. docker, podman to run containers or something like K3S which is effectively a lightweight kubernetes if you wanted to run a lot of different containers and have a central way of managing them

[–] SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org 1 points 1 month ago

I run docker exclusively in VMs and VPS and it works fine.