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[–] openrain502r@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Insert witty comment on how Snap is apparently the worst thing on Earth

(I don't use Linux. Why's it so hated?)

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

I don’t use Linux either, but a quick bit of research tells me it’s like an App Store and software that is specific to Linux. It allows for ease of installing/uninstalling programs but it can can run slow, seems redundant to what flatpaks already does, and isn’t fully fleshed out which leads to weird errors.

I’m guessing it’s because Linux is more hands on and this takes some agency away from users who feel like it might hurt privacy?

That’s what I’m reading anyway. Someone who is more familiar can correct me if I am off base.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 19 points 1 month ago (9 children)

The issues are twofold: Linux distros historically update software through a package manager. Something that was working fine for everyone, however it was causing a lot of work for maintainers. They got together and designed a packaging format for software that works across all Linux distributions called 'flatpak'. However, Ubuntu decided to create an alternative called Snap, which solves the same problem, except it's not used by anyone else.

Also, there's some implementation details that make it look messy in your system (every application is mounted as it's own filesystem, so if you use tools to list your disk's there's a bunch of weird spammy looking drives and things like that).

[–] realharo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Native package managers were not "working fine for everyone", the software and libraries in them are often very outdated and contain custom patches that don't come from the original software authors.

So you often end up dealing with bugs that were already fixed and the fixes released months ago.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

That sounds like the maintainer's problem, not a problem with apt/dnf/whatever. We've had automated build processes for decades. If you want stable, use a stable distro; if you want the latest, use a rolling release like Arch or something.

That's one of the main reasons I use a rolling release distro. I used Arch for years, and now I use Tumbleweed.

With packaged apps (like flatpak, snap, etc), you can end up with outdated dependencies in those apps because they bundle everything together. So instead of fixing bugs once for everyone, you have to pester each individual package maintainer to update the dependencies. However, this is mitigated by having these apps be somewhat containerized and limiting impact of a breach on other apps, so YMMV depending on what kind of sandboxing you use.

I'm not really decided here, and I use both flatpaks and distro packages. I don't touch snaps though.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago

Other distros were faster with updating packages, or for Ubuntu specifically you had PPAs or repositories maintained by the vendor.

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